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Old 09-22-2009, 12:54 AM   #41
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Nukem, I think you're reading too much into what the OP actually said and did in front of his client. He needed to bitch to some folks that could understand his position and appreciate all the implications of what they did.

Just because he's upset doesn't mean he's gonna do anything but get on with the task at hand in a professional manner. Read some more of his posts and I think you'll see that while a bit stubborn, he's also a consummate professional. He might bark here in the yard, but I think his clients love him to death and I know they love his work.
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is having a place to rant to others who understand.
Let some of it out here, so it's easier
to go back and be pleasant to idiots.

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Old 09-22-2009, 02:34 AM   #42
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I don't condone wishing harm on someone or freaking out on a HO over the process of building a deck.
Enlighten me to exactly where I've stated wishing harm on someone, and while you're at it, when did I ever "freak out on a HO over the process of building a deck"

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Gus, when it comes to clients, I'm a soft spoken person, but I speak with a confidence that let's folks know I'm not just flapping my gums. I'm tactful, but to the point. I would tell the client we need to meet because we have an issue on the job site that has us at a work stoppage.

When we meet, I remind them of our conversations regarding site access and try to understand where their thinking is on the whole subject. Once I think I have their side of the story, I then assert my position and what is at stake per the contract we both agreed to. I don't threaten, I don't cajole, I just put it on the table and go from there.

Yes, we have pulled off of jobs before and redeployed at a later time.

My whole point here is just to remind folks that you have to control your jobs and job sites. This doesn't mean rude or emotional, it just means calmly asserting your position in a professional and unaccusing manner and then working to a resolution.

Nukem, I think you're reading too much into what the OP actually said and did in front of his client. He needed to bitch to some folks that could understand his position and appreciate all the implications of what they did.

Just because he's upset doesn't mean he's gonna do anything but get on with the task at hand in a professional manner. Read some more of his posts and I think you'll see that while a bit stubborn, he's also a consummate professional. He might bark here in the yard, but I think his clients love him to death and I know they love his work.
well why didn't you say so the first time?
You sound more aligned with my style than I originally thought. I too have lost my ability to dance around the point.

I would still reserve the work stoppage as a last resort in some bizarre circumstance.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:48 AM   #44
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A site access clause is good to have, but it's a blessing in disguise. You hope that the h/o reads your contract and remembers that clause, but that you never have to bring it up.

I think waving a contract and pointing out the clause is just going to create a rift between the contractor and customer.
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Have them initial sections that are important to you and for them to see. That way they can't say I didn't see it.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:53 PM   #46
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Yes the same thing is happening over and over again like the homeowners are the same species. Perhaps the problem is not with the HO but with someone who can't deal with people.
elaborate on this for me if you dont mind, Your opinion here may or may not be of use to me later.
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well why didn't you say so the first time?
You sound more aligned with my style than I originally thought. I too have lost my ability to dance around the point.

I would still reserve the work stoppage as a last resort in some bizarre circumstance.
Understood, but if one can't control their emotions and temper on a blog what chance is there that an ugly confrontation with the HO will not occur?
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Understood, but if one can't control their emotions and temper on a blog what chance is there that an ugly confrontation with the HO will not occur?
You really don't know the people here that you're referring to so it's probably best that you just back away from this thread and

You're looking more and more stupid each time you post
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:22 PM   #49
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Understood, but if one can't control their emotions and temper on a blog what chance is there that an ugly confrontation with the HO will not occur?
It does seem as though you need to chill on this. We all have come here to let the dark side run wild from time to time. That is about all that has happened here. If you don't have a safe place to rant your frustrations I would think it's your clients that should be aware.

Everyone's cup gets full from time to time. It's best to go to work with a little room at the top.

All you are doing is giving these guys a place to spill a little off the top.

Back off, relax and post something positive for a while.
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A man wakes up one morning to find a gorilla on his roof.

So he looks in the yellow pages and sure enough, there's an ad for "Gorilla Removers." he calls the number, and the gorilla remover says he'll be over in 30 minutes.

The gorilla remover arrives and gets out of his van.

He's got a ladder, a baseball bat, a shotgun and a mean huge dog.

"What are you going to do", the homeowner asks?

I'm going to put this ladder up against the roof, and then I'm going to go up there and knock the gorilla off the roof with this baseball bat. When the gorilla falls off, the dog is trained to grab the gorilla's testicles and squeeze. The gorilla will then be subdued enough for me to put him in the cage in the back of the van."

He hands the shotgun to the homeowner.
"What's the shotgun for?" asks the homeowner.
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If the gorilla knocks me off the roof, shoot the dog
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:44 PM   #51
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Are you the Gorilla, or the dog?

That's a good start.

Now S.O.T.
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I agree with the comment on throwing away the red tape and replacing with 2x4's. Using red tape as a warning line is illegal around here for that reason, it can get taken down or fall off too easily. It's got to be rope with ribbons around it, or 2x4's, and it's got to be secured substantially six feet away from a leading edge.
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