Deck With Vinyl

Winchester

Just finished a budget deck with vinyl on a pretty tight budget.

First one of these this year. Wouldn't mind getting some more. There was a deck there before that was rotting and the railings had fallen off. We tore everything off, kept only the joists on the main part and the triple 2x10 beam. New landing and stairs as well as the last ones were way too narrow to be legal and all completely rotten.

New wooden railings instead of aluminum and threw in a gate at the top of the stairs for free since they have dogs and small children.

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curapa

I don't know man, I'm not really digging that one. I think you should have talked them into saving some more cash.

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Tom Struble

duradeck Ryan?

Five Star

looks good for a budget deck, just curious as to why you dont keep the railings up a few inches so the dirt doesnt get trapped..?

NICE JOB ON THE VINYLE

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Paulie

I can hear the comments already but I got to say I have NEVER seen vinyl on a deck before. Isn't that a slip hazard? How about drainage? Is it glued on OSB? WTF.

curapa

The main problems I have with it are:

1. The lack of space between the bottom of the rails to the deck.
2. The lack of diagonal bracing on the gate (I know it was a freebie but..)
3. The lack of spindles on the stairs, you mentioned they had children and pets so that is a big issue.

I do not have any problem with any of the workmanship that I can see but these issues would be a concern to me.

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Greg Di

What's a vinyl deck? Is that indoor vinyl flooring?

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mhillc

I'm with you on the vinyl. I seen fiberglass alot down the shore but never vinyl

Tom Struble

if its duradeck that stuffs not cheep

Paulie

You got a website address on duradeck Tom?

SLSTech

Here you go http://www.duradek.com/

Winchester, how was it to install?

It would flunk down here because of the lack of the ballisters on the stairs

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Winchester

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Ryan

Winchester

Yeah, I was waiting for these comments. Mostly to justify my own feelings

Those were my issues too. This is the first job where I let my lead carpenter make most of the decisions and I showed up to the site 3 times. Because I brought him 2x2s that were "too long" Was his main excuse. Also that on his deck the kids let stuff fall out and on to the ground. Ha! Anyway, he knows my thoughts on this now and I'll make sure it's done properly from now on.

I questioned the stairs, but according to him, because of the way the landings are we don't need the balusters on the stairs. he fought me on that and because of the budget and we were pretty much done and there is a gate on the top I didn't fight any more

The diagonal bracing definitely needds to be added but we were pretty much out of materials. There are two lags that aren't screwed in yet because we were short 2 washers. So he's going back to screw those in and put the bracing on the gate.

This was a quick budget deck way out of town, so I let a few things slide since this is the first time I let him reign free on this one. Now I know how involved I need to be, so all is well.

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Ryan

Winchester

It's vinyl decking membrane. Textured so no slipping. Glued on to plywood, I'd never want to use OSB, bleh. It's welded on the overlaps (3/4") and welded to pvc coated drip-edge along the edges. Deck is sloped for drainage. The stuff goes up the side of the house at least 6" as well.

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WarriorWithWood

Don't forget the 2x4 screwed to the corner post. What happened there?

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curapa

Yeah, that's why I tell my help how I want and expect something done. It is also why I do not leave my help unattended on a job with anything important to do. It does not matter what or where the landings are, spindles or something is needed to fill the gap.

It appears as if he takes pride in his work but I do not believe he knows what will pass code or what is best for the safety for the people on the deck.

The craftmanship looks good though, I hope you get some more of them. Line em' up and knock em' out.

Curt

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Winchester

Dude, that's a totally sweet bonus feature that you get when you don't have enough materials and think you know better than the boss.

Should've been like this, as far as I'm concerned:

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Ryan

Winchester

I'm working on an employee manual that has all company policies. It will be categorized by job type with a section for decks. I eventually want to only have to show up 3 times on the job site and have everything done the way I would do it. It will take a while of babysitting and shoving the book in their face like an asshole before they know how we do things. Every time I find something that I think should be common sense, but obviously isn't, I add it to the manual.

He is usually very good when it comes to code, etc... He's been doing it for 30 years and used to teach carpentry at college. Comes up with some creative solutions to problems sometimes too, however, also has some very strange ideas when left to his own devices too. (as you can get a glimpse of here)

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BuiltByMAC

I would recommend headin' back out and replacing those stair rails. Just one of those learnin' experiences....

and if your guy is fightin' you over a safety issue? He represents you when you're not there, make him better. You in a position to rework the rails w/ him? That way, there's crystal clarity as to your expectations.
Gate or no gate, if those are professionally built, they have full rails. That's what they're payin' you for, instead of having Uncle Charlie put something together.


Mac

Winchester

This sounds like a good idea. He still needs to go back with 2 washers and a piece of wood for the gate. We'll both go and do the stair railings.

p.s. he used 3/4" ply for the bottom spacing, so it's a little wider than it looks in the photo, but still not acceptable.

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