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Old 04-02-2011, 03:40 PM   #1
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How much detail do you give in your deck drawings for the permit app?

Do you/are you required to give a full framing plan with a side elevation?
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Old 04-02-2011, 04:01 PM   #2
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Yup, full blueprints, elevations, (most of the time) details, etc. The more thorough the plans and details the less questions the inspector can raise in the field. Of course every sheet submitted can be download from their website (if you have a contractor account) so copyrights are on everything I submit.

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The towns in NJ are all different. But like Robert said, the more info you submit, the better.

Most towns around here want a top-down framing detail, specs detail (ledger, footings etc) and any manufacturer's instructions. Technincally, in NJ, you aren't allowed to design a deck unless you are a PE, architect or the homeowner. The towns KNOW builders are designing the decks, but the homeowner has to sign the plans as if they did the drawings. Out of the 30 or so towns I work in, only 2 require an elevation drawing.

Even though the IRC is supposed to be the "law of the land" these days, there is a ridiculous amount of variation in the information required by different towns.
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Agreed about NJ. I submit deck drawings without objection in most cases. Sometimes and in certain towns I wouldn't dare without an Art Vandelay stamp.
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Intersting. When I worked in Oregon all the work was done at the permit store like you Guy's are talking.

Then I came to the land of the Good Ol Boys. The permit store over here hardley looks at the plan they just want to see the footprint and place it over any easements and property lines. Its all up to the Contractor. We build it and they come out and tell us if they like it or not.

It took a while geting into this.

But it seems to work fine.They depend on the Contractor to already know what He is doing and to know what they want. Knowing the Man in the field is the key. I have done jobs in the local Hysterical district where going to the court house and standing in fount of a 20 chair review board takes place. They skim thru my 10 page plan then we talked about the kind of plants that were going in,and how most decks are cluby, then stamped it for a go.

Thats how Residential goes Commercial is different but a lot the same out in the Field.

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The little towns around Austin usually a floorplan & site plan will get you a permit. City of Austin wants the whole nine yards. Travis county permits are a joke, all they need is a site plan & check to see if it's in a flood plane, no inspections of any kind.
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Things used to be pretty laid back around here you could just about get away with drawing you deck plan on a cocktail napkin while buying the co inspector a drink or two.
But things have changed now you'll need legal sized blue print plus site map oh & don't forget to bring your check book
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Things used to be pretty laid back around here you could just about get away with drawing you deck plan on a cocktail napkin while buying the co inspector a drink or two.
But things have changed now you'll need legal sized blue print plus site map oh & don't forget to bring your check book
Ditto that. It's all about liability these days. And of course the building dept. won't have to do any work with these level of drawings.

They want to be able to put all the onus on the architect and the GC.

So what exactly am I paying for then with the permit fee?
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I'm so glad that I don't do decks.....
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Kat,you got to pay before you play.

Everyone even slightly involved gets a chunk out of any business deal. Up in Oregon we did not realize what our hmmm $3,000 was paying for until the whole eco fell in then the save the whales,one armed Children, stop sign replacement, govt supplied housing, Hell it went on and on, were out of money.

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I'm so glad that I don't do decks.....

Yo Tech, Im pretty glad you dont my own self.

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I have done plans for a couple of decks. Engineering is required on anything that will be a deck above the first story. Seismic concerns around here.

You need a site plan and a floor plan of the interior of the house so they can make sure you have smoke and CO2 detectors, then all the needed details of the deck.

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Yes, pretty detailed.

elevation, cross section, site plan with setbacks and coverage calcs, and deck floor plan
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You will have to ask your building official that, they will all give you a slightly different answer depending on where you are. Sometimes if you are in a small town, they are more lenient.
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You in Jersey, so you will need to show on the survey they size of the deck and get zoning approval.
As plans go, put that everything on,
  • Footing locations and spacing.
  • Cross section of deck/ house connection.
  • Cross section of footing, post girder and deck.
  • Specify connections, sizes, joist size and spacing.
  • Girder size and bolt spacing...you in South Jersey you will need to show hurricane straps, deck load.
  • Show footing to post and post to girder connections.
  • Railing height and spindle spacing.
  • Stair detail with tread and riser sizes, width of stairs and railing specs.
  • Concrete pad if applicable depth and size.
  • 3 sets of plans and notes with code specifications.
  • Material specifications i.e. PT lumber, decking material (if composite,provide installation guide with load specification.
You can also stop at the building department because most of them have a booklet with what required.

Good luck.
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Greg has pretty much summed it up for Calif. also.

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You in Jersey, so you will need to show on the survey they size of the deck and get zoning approval.
As plans go, put that everything on,
  • Footing locations and spacing.
  • Cross section of deck/ house connection.
  • Cross section of footing, post girder and deck.
  • Specify connections, sizes, joist size and spacing.
  • Girder size and bolt spacing...you in South Jersey you will need to show hurricane straps, deck load.
  • Show footing to post and post to girder connections.
  • Railing height and spindle spacing.
  • Stair detail with tread and riser sizes, width of stairs and railing specs.
  • Concrete pad if applicable depth and size.
  • 3 sets of plans and notes with code specifications.
  • Material specifications i.e. PT lumber, decking material (if composite,provide installation guide with load specification.
You can also stop at the building department because most of them have a booklet with what required.

Good luck.
Thanks, I understand for Jersey, just seeing what others need. And everytown is different.

Many of the small towns do not provide any guidance until after you submit the application.
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I just submited one In a smaller city of 30k

I submitted an zeroxed RPR with the proposed changes
and a Sketchup with dimensions on it. (the final Copy has more measurements)

The lady at the counter said it should be fine

ill know in 10 business days
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Some towns in NJ, you will deal with 3 different inspectors in the same town and each will require something different. You cant win!
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Some towns in NJ, you will deal with 3 different inspectors in the same town and each will require something different. You cant win!
Agreed. Welcome to CT.

Please go introduce yourself in the Intro section. Where in Jersey?

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