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Old 11-13-2007, 08:55 PM   #1
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Deck Building Labor Wages?


Hello I am new to the deck building business and am wanting to know the average labor costs (not what you charge customers, what you pay your workers) for deck building.

This includes:

Framing:

Decking:

Posts and rails:

Any help would be appreciated, and I hope this is the right forum to be asking this. Otherwise please redirect me to the right one.

P.S I am in California, though I do not care what state you are in, any general range would be appreciated. And we pay in piece work so I'm looking for prices for per square. Thanks again.
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:45 PM   #2
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I don't pay helpers per sq., I pay them hourly and that's only when I need them.

Dummies willing to work $8 hr

Dummies that can use a saw $10 hr

Carpenters that know what they are doing $15+

If our looking to pay a helper a percentage I'd think twice and make sure you have people that you can depend on and will work as hard as you do. I would imagine there are some that would get cocky earning a percentage and overstep their bounds. If your planning on paying a percentage to boost morale then its probably a bad idea, your employees have a bad attitude for a reason, whether it be job conditions or their own problems in which additional money wont help, at least not for long.

If you are sub-contracting your decks then that's a whole 'nother ball game that no one here can help you with unless knowing all of your details from deck design to budget.

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I pay as little as possible to get the job done... Just like any business. I dont screw my guys, but if someone walks up to me and says " I want to labor for you for $8 an hour" I am going to pay him $8 an hour just like he asked.
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Apparently, I've been spending too much time on my "other" websites - I read your name as JizGoblin!

Hi, welcome to the site. Glad you could stop by, sorry it's for a "what do you pay" thread but what the hey...

You're new to contracting, or just deck building? Tell us a little about your business, the decks you want to build, your WC insurance costs for having employees, ya know, the stuff you'll base your labor cost on.

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Apparently, I've been spending too much time on my "other" websites - I read your name as JizGoblin!

Hi, welcome to the site. Glad you could stop by, sorry it's for a "what do you pay" thread but what the hey...

You're new to contracting, or just deck building? Tell us a little about your business, the decks you want to build, your WC insurance costs for having employees, ya know, the stuff you'll base your labor cost on.

Mac
What makes you think he's planning to pay workers comp? Based on the fact that he's looking to pay piece rates, it smells to me like someone's planning on 1099'ing his "employees" and expecting them to carry their own insurance.
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i have a very skilled reliable laid off union framer that works with me for a couple years...3 bucks a sq ft and 5 a ft for rail with the misc crap included... he brings his own guy and gets er done...
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A helper/joe boy/gopher. Over 18 in age, I pay $10/hr
A kid with the ability to use a saw and retain all 10 fingers on a consistant basis: $12-14/hr.
A good carpenter with a few years experience: $20/hr
A well experienced carpenter who knows exactly what he's doing and does not have to be babysat at all: $25/hr.

Most of the time I use subcontractors, however. I pay them generally by the square foot for decks, and by the linear foot for fences.
Prices start around $7.00 either way.
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What makes you think he's planning to pay workers comp? Based on the fact that he's looking to pay piece rates, it smells to me like someone's planning on 1099'ing his "employees" and expecting them to carry their own insurance.
I think you're assuming facts not in evidence. For example, I pay my employees by the piece and I withhold taxes like I would any other employee. People always assume piecework is somehow shady or unlawful.
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I have 2 hourly helpers, one @ 10 the other @ 15. I'd pay more if I could find better help, good help is hard to find let alone someone who actually wants to work. Subs get 4.00 to 5.00 per sq. ft., that includes rails. I expect them to take drawings & do the job, handle little problems that may arise, no babysitting.

One of my buddies who calls his company *** Custom Decks does almost entirely homebuilder decks. I would call his decks production decks not custom as he does mostly cedar decks, no composites, & rarely an ipe deck. He pays his subs 2.50 per sq. ft. for nail downs (yes some builders still allow nails) extra .25 for screw down, .50 if you have to scaffold, 1.00 for 2 layers scaffolds ect., 4.00 per sq. ft. for stairs, this includes rails. Rails only on concrete patios 5.00 per ft. Claims his rates are as good or better than the other companies that do homebuilder decks. His subs can't be that happy cause they're always bugging me for jobs.
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I think you're assuming facts not in evidence. For example, I pay my employees by the piece and I withhold taxes like I would any other employee. People always assume piecework is somehow shady or unlawful.
And in many cases it is carried out in shady and unlawful ways, so it's earned it's reputation. It's also not exempt from the provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act either, though most employers who decide to pay by the piece seem to think it is. For example, did you know that if even if you pay your employees by the piece, if they work more than 40 hours a week for you, they're entitled to compensation at 1.5x the piece rate for the work performed in the overtime hours??
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And if for whatever reason thier "hourly rate" based upon the amount they earn divided by the hours spent falls below the minimum wage YOU must make up the differance. (this should be VERY rare, but you never know.)
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And if for whatever reason thier "hourly rate" based upon the amount they earn divided by the hours spent falls below the minimum wage YOU must make up the differance. (this should be VERY rare, but you never know.)
Wow, never heard of that one. I believe it though.
I think curapa nailed those wages perfectly...i'd second him on that.
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What makes you think he's planning to pay workers comp? Based on the fact that he's looking to pay piece rates, it smells to me like someone's planning on 1099'ing his "employees" and expecting them to carry their own insurance.

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