Cross Section & Elevations

Will Johnson

Hi,

I'm working on providing the City with connnection details, elevations, etc for a new deck project.

Can any of ya'll direct me to any resources that might have these types of drawings as "boilerplate"? (6" post supporting 6x14 girder; double rim joist connecting to a ledger, etc).

Thanks!

BuiltByMAC

Never found anything like that online...I build all my own diagrams and save them. When a new project comes along that needs drawn plans, I pull up the old graphics and mix and match what I can.

One of these days when I'm killing time, I'll build a personal library of generic plan details. Stairs, handrails, ledger connections, footing-post-beam elevations are all things that could be cataloged and tweaked for new drawings with a little effort.

Mac

Dan_Watson

Draw my own also.

mickeyco

There's tons of them on the internet, search on google, here's a couple. Many times the town/city will have something for you.


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/p...ks/details.pdf

http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6.pdf


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Will Johnson

with the plan & permits, that is.

Thanks for the comments, I couldn't find much online, so I sat at the table today to prepare for an 8am meet with the City Bldg Structural dept. Went today to run the plans I prepared past them & they identified a number of details they needed to see. I've been working on that for several hours this afternoon/eve. Glad I love my work! (though maybe not ALL parts of it)

I've got details on railings, stairs, posts, hanging hardware, fasteners, etc... hopefully that'll do it.

Excavating footings tomorrow, so I'm optomistic they allow the posts to go where I put 'em on the plan. I'd hate to have to tell my guys to move six 30"x30"x18" footings over a foot or 2. lol

We don't freeze here, so footings don't have to be too deep (in undisturbed soil). Using 6x6 posts on 10' spacing w/ 12' joists on 16" centers require 6x14 girders (per city specs)... Hangers will keep the profile thinner, though I was hoping to use 6x12 or 6x10's.

I'll post some pix of the project as it moves along.

Let me know when that catalog is done, I've got some air miles I could cash in & would love to visit Eugene!

Thanks for the links - I printed out a couple details from them & will be able to use them.

Dan_Watson

Yes, pictures please!

BuiltByMAC

Holy Schnikey, that's a big beam for a 10' span! How far above grade is this deck going? What's your connection method at post/beam - you using the Simpson CCQ or CC post/beam connectors?

Mac

Will Johnson

That's kinda what I thought! Keep in mind, I've mostly done landscape installs, lots of masonry, only a few decks & covers, so I'm a bit out of my element when it comes to loads & structural engineering. But here it is.

http://www.sandiego.gov/development-...etin/ib211.pdf - table 3 page 6

The Fairfax document allows 2-2x10's for the same span. We want to use the area below for a "game room". No high arching pingpong shots!

Will Johnson

Can't you just nail the beam to the side of the post... I mean, with BIG nails?


CCQ66SDS2.5 & ECQ66SDS2.5 up top & ABE66R below - the deck is 22' wide x 22 deep, so I'm butting the two 11' girders 'cuz a 22' is too big to imagine, let alone lift. Actually, I've got a 10'3" joist span close to the house & a 11'6" joist span on the far edge, but the guidelines are either 10' or 12'... gotta use the 12. Posts will actually be about 9'6' apart, allowing for 18" overhang on each side.

Oh, and it's just under 9' high (to the underside of the joists) at the far edge - 4'x4' landing and 14 stairs falling away from the house on the left edge of the deck.

Dan_Watson

Like landscape spikes?

BuiltByMAC

Bwaa haa haa! What's sad is that when my wife and I go for a walk up in our neighborhood hills, we usually go past this newer house that has a back deck, a good 15' above grade, with a support beam EXACTLY like that - a couple of bolts holding the beam to the side of the posts. She's so tired of me groaning every time we walk past it! I still have no idea how it passed inspection...unless they tossed it on after the final inspection passed. Scary sh*t indeed...

Definitely toss progress pics into a thread - I like seeing the big stuff going up! (Now there's just no way in hell to say that without sounding completely gay...Damn it anyway!! I was gonna say I like seeing big wood but that doesn't work either...) Let's see...large elevated structures built out of wood pique my interest... nope, still totally gay in a completely different way!

Alright, I'm kicking my own ass outta here before I really get into trouble!

Mac

Will Johnson

Maybe they used Gorilla glue, and just held the beam & post together with those bolts till it dried, so it's OK.
We joke about it, but with the right number of guests, something like that could come apart.

WE wanted to go up & do a cover - not quite like your Building High Rise Decks thread, but extending the 6x posts up 9' above the deck.

Unfortunately the City won't allow it. Seems, we're within 300 feet of open canyon areas & it's a fire code issue. A wood deck is exempt, but a deck with a cover comes under the fire codes (requireing BIG beams, no exposed hardware, fire-resistant material, etc). So I told the owners to buy big Cafe umbrellas from costco.

The deck will be covered with 1X6 (3/4") Ipe, the rough DF framing lumber will be stained with Cabot MIssion Brown, the railings will all be white. We're pre-painting everything off-site, which makes it cleaner, though I dislike painting.

And Mac, no problem about the big wood comments. Where I live it's not only cool to be gay, it's legal! Several of my neighbors (couple/partners) are getting married this summer. Actually, in September, a ceremony will be held on the Mangaris deck I built in May across the street from my house. (loved THAT commute). I'll be sure to get some pics of the ceremony on the deck.

Obviously, one of my "soon" purchases will be another digi camera. I had a decent Exlim, but it was too small (I lost it recently).

Dan_Watson

I dont know if this guy is joking or not.

mickeyco

There are area out here that require a through bolt attachment (I've probably said it before, but it angers me), no notching allowed, they do spec an angle below the attachment and Simpson makes a nice one for that type of attachment. And you know those quality Chinese bolts available at Home Depot will never let you down or loosen.


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Will Johnson

Alwaysconfusd: about "nail the beam to the side of the post... I mean, with BIG nails?" YES, about "they used Gorilla glue, and just held the beam & post together with those bolts till it dried, so it's OK.", obviously, I'm kidding! (thought it was obvious).

About everything else: the camera loss... sadly, not kidding; about "gay" being "legal" in California... Sort of, marriage is finally allowed (though a Nov. ballot measure seeks to reverse that). About the deck I built behind a house across the street, yes, it will be the site of a September wedding.

What didn't I cover? About MAC's penchant for big wood... I'm afraid, his posts/beams are consistently bigger and longer (sigh...) than mine. One learns to cope.

Mickey - Which one is that? Didn't see it in the catalog. Also, I didn't think there was ever a case where a girder can hang off the side of a post ( including big nails, landscape spikes, thru bolts, angle braces, Gorilla glue, etc. )


This AM found out the City requires a week (plus) turnaround to do a "Historical Review" on all structures over 45 being remodeled. Ran around to assembled site photos, County building records, previous plans & re-submitted it all, now I wait. Oddly, the last property I worked on that I got a permit for didn't require this.

Good news in all this is, at 50+, I'm Historical!

Will Johnson

Somehow taking "before" pix of the old deck got away from me, which is unfortunate because it was a disaster.

Here's one I took yesterday of the demo'd site. I'll follow in a few weeks once we get permits & get working.

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