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Old 07-05-2015, 10:10 AM   #21
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Just heard on the news 20 people were taken to hospital. Then again its the media. But as we all know some people think they would park their car up there if they could.
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Old 07-05-2015, 10:53 AM   #22
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Bcc - those beach house decks SHOULD be built to support more than 40LL though. They're typically used by large/numerous families at once and any competent decker should know this when building on those properties. I'd go 2x12, 12OC and never worry about it.

I do wonder though how the sand affects footing stability etc - I'm sure we've got some beach builders around here who can chime in on that
Dont know the failure here but you could have red iron up there but if it fails below what good does your 2x12x12c do. Not much if it fails below
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Whenever I'm at a party were a deck is being used, I always play building inspector and casually check the condition before mingling with the crowd.
That's funny, I did the same thing yesterday. Before going on the deck with 15-20 people. I went for a little walk.

It was "all good" we all survived..
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Deckman not to jack the thread here but I am only 30 minutes away from you in Canyon Lake. Just wondering have you seen hangers used on overhead decks there?
I lived in Sattler for a couple of years. Yea most the decks there suck, folks that live there are cheap arses. Maybe did a half dozen jobs in the area the whole time I lived there.

To answer your question, yes everything here gets hangered inspected or not. I've torn some down that were not tho.
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Decks on beach rental houses should have placards on them telling renters how many people should be on deck. Most I see should say 4, maybe 5.
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Whenever I'm at a party were a deck is being used, I always play building inspector and casually check the condition before mingling with the crowd.

I'd bet I'm not the only one...fess up guys, how many more with this affliction?
I do the same thing everywhere I go, especially with decks.



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pays to use ss on the coast. Looks like the nails/hanger nails rusted away, or they used no hangers at all.
not in 1986.. Black in white. They we have look at everything. If it was updated with ss hangers dttsz and fasteners it could of lasted anther 10years.
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Have you seen the price of the SS hangers and post bases? I looked at them a while ago and it would have put my prices up 10-25%. Deck life is a big issue, imo. When something has a very real lifespan, how do we tell the customer and then have it stick? I know we can just build them and move on, but I don't know if court cases are going to keep it that way. I've got a spreadsheet with the decks on it and I think mailers every 5 years with reminders to have it inspected are going to be the way to go.
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It's a tough one. At what point do they do a deck inspection. I might put in my contract that a thorough inspection needs done in the event of earth movement. I might add it to the earth movement clause already in my contracts
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E. Not to add more details and chit to justify our existence but It's an upgrade option where they accept or decline with signatures. I have a contractor recommend clause. If there is something I recommend or not recommend and clients sign off. Don't worry you'll still get a letter in the mail from a lawyer. But at least you got something that shows due diligence.
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The whole thing sucks. You got code dictating rock bottom cheap safety. You got 5 chucks in a truck coming in at almost 1/2 your price. Not like I really give a chit about that. Back log production employees subs inventory ordering design change orders add ons weather and 10 other things that I don't have time for now and the always when are starting my job. Im ready to go back to 2 job max at time which gets screwed up 1/2 the time because of that one special order thing came in wrong or damaged so you roll onto other kib and circle back which leads into more work like add ons and so goes the chit cycle storm that's always brewing.
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That's funny, I did the same thing yesterday. Before going on the deck with 15-20 people. I went for a little walk.

It was "all good" we all survived..
Can't blame you there
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Here you go. At a house at the beach and here's the amazing attachment.

2x8's on 16" centers on a 10ft span no hangers either.

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One of my Familey just asked me why I was taking pics of the deck. They just said their deck collapsed last year.

They said that they had one of them massive wal mart pools about 4ft deep and 14ft across sitting up there with 6 adults in there and the whole thing collapsed and people come out across the yard like on a water slide.

You really can't fix stupid lol
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Here you go. At a house at the beach and here's the amazing attachment.

2x8's on 16" centers on a 10ft span no hangers either.

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What do you see wrong with it?
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I don't like hangers, unless I see a real reason to need them.
Simpson owns the engineering firms...

They did a solid job of that.
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We dont have have any wording in our contracts to cover our butts for decks. But we certainly do for balconys.
Ive only built 3 balconys. Even tho they are built to code or better I cant shake that feeling like I have just created a accident.
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One thing killer mentioned was people wanting as few posts as possible.
It's not always easy nor comforting when you are anchoring into something somebody else built at an earlier time.

Everything, including the home, should be welded SS....
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Here you go. At a house at the beach and here's the amazing attachment.

2x8's on 16" centers on a 10ft span no hangers either.

Attachment 202618
Seeing as that is the free end of the deck no need for hangers (unless you install them upside down). The beam is supporting that end of the framing, the rim board is keeping the joists in alignment, the joists are unnecessarily ledgered.

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We dont have have any wording in our contracts to cover our butts for decks. But we certainly do for balconys.
Ive only built 3 balconys. Even tho they are built to code or better I cant shake that feeling like I have just created a accident.
A 4' deep x 8' second story deck at an apartment complex went down long ago...I was maybe 27 then,

There were only about 16 people partying hard on it.

Somebody mentioned some kinda signage, maybe not a bad idear...

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