24x24 Deck

amanandhisvan · 03-26-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Di

All screws are in a straight line, spaced exactly the same on each board, sunk to the same depth. There's only so fast you can go, but what do I know.

They dont use screws!! All nailed!!! No lags or hangers either!! All toe nailed!! Ive seen it!!!

:laughi ng:

bsbll02 · 03-27-2008, 01:53 PM

[ quote=amanandhisvan;404647]Hey Everybody!!!! I just wanted to vent, and get your guys opinion. I have a friend of mine who just bought a new house. He wants a 24x24 deck with one set of 6' stairs. My Partner and I were slow for work so I went up to my buddies house and did a layout to get an estimate together for him. I was only going to charge him for materials and very low labor $400 a day for 2 men. The materials came to approx. $3500 for pressure treated lumber and screws,lags,hangers,ETC, Etc, etc,. Plus rental on auger. We have to sink and cement 6 6x6 posts. So my partner tells him it would take us about 2 weeks to build the deck from start to finish. So thats $7500 for the new deck. That day I give my buddy the price and he laughs and says all he could afford right now would be the materials. So a couple weeks go by and I have already wrote off the deck. My buddy calls me the other day and says that a guy who built a 10x10 deck next door said he could build his deck for him for $3100. This contractor is also making the deck larger 30x24. He told my buddy to just dig 3 holes for him for his support post and beam.(Contractor will do the rest of the work) I cant see how this is possible for $3100!!!! Plus the fact that he doesnt have enough support for that size deck!!! My materials alone were $3500!!! Is this guy stealing his lumber from somewhere!! Anyways now my buddy acts as if I was trying to give him a raw deal!!! I told him to go ahead and let the guy build the deck but dont call me when the SH*T falls down!!! I just want to get some opinions!!! He basically said in so many words u and you partner are a rip off!!!! I love this ****!! Never do work for friends or Family!!! THE GOLDEN RULE!!!!:fur ious:[/quote]

Greg Di · 03-27-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bsbll02

[ quote=amanandhisvan;404647]Hey Everybody!!!! I just wanted to vent, and get your guys opinion. I have a friend of mine who just bought a new house. He wants a 24x24 deck with one set of 6' stairs. My Partner and I were slow for work so I went up to my buddies house and did a layout to get an estimate together for him. I was only going to charge him for materials and very low labor $400 a day for 2 men. The materials came to approx. $3500 for pressure treated lumber and screws,lags,hangers,ETC, Etc, etc,. Plus rental on auger. We have to sink and cement 6 6x6 posts. So my partner tells him it would take us about 2 weeks to build the deck from start to finish. So thats $7500 for the new deck. That day I give my buddy the price and he laughs and says all he could afford right now would be the materials. So a couple weeks go by and I have already wrote off the deck. My buddy calls me the other day and says that a guy who built a 10x10 deck next door said he could build his deck for him for $3100. This contractor is also making the deck larger 30x24. He told my buddy to just dig 3 holes for him for his support post and beam.(Contractor will do the rest of the work) I cant see how this is possible for $3100!!!! Plus the fact that he doesnt have enough support for that size deck!!! My materials alone were $3500!!! Is this guy stealing his lumber from somewhere!! Anyways now my buddy acts as if I was trying to give him a raw deal!!! I told him to go ahead and let the guy build the deck but dont call me when the SH*T falls down!!! I just want to get some opinions!!! He basically said in so many words u and you partner are a rip off!!!! I love this ****!! Never do work for friends or Family!!! THE GOLDEN RULE!!!!:fur ious:

Yeah...what he said. I second the motion?

Garrett · 03-27-2008, 05:37 PM

its always surprising the diff. across the country with regardes to pricing. without getting into a pissing match around here i get 38 to 50 a s.f. footings are no more than 6' apart 3' deep. 6x6 posts 2x12 beams and no less than 2x10 joists span less than 11 feet beam to beam hidden fastners ect.ect.

Brock · 03-27-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

its always surprising the diff. across the country with regardes to pricing. without getting into a pissing match around here i get 38 to 50 a s.f. footings are no more than 6' apart 3' deep. 6x6 posts 2x12 beams and no less than 2x10 joists span less than 11 feet beam to beam hidden fastners ect.ect.

I am absolutely shocked and amazed how many of the contractors in here just don't have a clue about the way the dollar works. You take your 38 dollars per foot and spend it on everything it takes to live in your area. It would only take me 11 dollars per foot to live exactly the same as you. I mean exactly. The same house, the same truck, the same groceries, etc. My cousin is a master framer and folded up shop and took most of his crew to Cali. 6 months later he is back and he said they pay twice as much , but it cost 4 times as much to live.

Susan Betz · 03-27-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I am absolutely shocked and amazed how many of the contractors in here just don't have a clue about the way the dollar works. You take your 38 dollars per foot and spend it on everything it takes to live in your area. It would only take me 11 dollars per foot to live exactly the same as you. I mean exactly. The same house, the same truck, the same groceries, etc. My cousin is a master framer and folded up shop and took most of his crew to Cali. 6 months later he is back and he said they pay twice as much , but it cost 4 times as much to live.

California is the exception. Come down to Florida, where they like to tell you it costs less to live (in the interior), but for the majority, the cost of living is the same as up north, but wages are significantly lower.

You *settle* for 11 dollars a foot. It does NOT buy the same groceries or the same truck. Doesn't buy the same amount of gas for that truck or the electricity to run the house. Maybe it'll buy the same house. Maybe.

Chris G · 03-27-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Susan Betz

California is the exception. Come down to Florida, where they like to tell you it costs less to live (in the interior), but for the majority, the cost of living is the same as up north, but wages are significantly lower.

You *settle* for 11 dollars a foot. It does NOT buy the same groceries or the same truck. Doesn't buy the same amount of gas for that truck or the electricity to run the house. Maybe it'll buy the same house. Maybe.

It will buy the same house, but it won't buy the same land.

Bone Saw · 03-27-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

its always surprising the diff. across the country with regardes to pricing.

trust me, this is not the case at all, trooper is right in my back yard, and typically runs mid 30's-mid 40's for typical low end to higher end comp. his price is straight out of okeefenokee county

John Hyatt · 03-27-2008, 10:00 PM

change is change,money is money,what sticks to the bee is what makes Honey.

Its the bottom line Folks,after all the smoke clears. You can please the Wallet and drive on home,pay the taxes and get on the Bike. Traval around to the country side play with the tikes and have some funny.....but what sticks to the Bee is what makes the Honey.

I have got to Quit that Damm ol Bluse Bar!!!!!! J.

BuilderRemodler · 04-08-2008, 10:52 PM

There is a balance between our mark ups and finding the best service for the customer.
Quality Counts and is number one. We usually use 4 x 6 or 6 x 6 support posts and 2 x 10 or 2 x 12 support beams and joists.

With a competitive market however $5000 - $6000 seems to be top dollars for this deck. References are needed customers are informed now a days and often when we have lost bids it is to good smaller builders and younger guys who actually did Nice work for the most part.

Materials stated are not even in the neighborhood of accuracy.
We use only Selected Stock and it seems more realistic in the range of one half of your estimated dollars for materials. We do have footers and most fasteners stocked.
Five Days of Labor with a good two man crew may be close
$2400. $1600 Actual Dollars in Materials. 25% Mark Up
$5000.00 Estimate should be an accurate close bid for budget conscious folk.
Upper End Work changes the scenario and bid pricing.

BuiltByMAC · 04-08-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BuilderRemodler

$1600 Actual Dollars in Materials.
Upper End Work changes the scenario and bid pricing.

Dude, he's talking about a 24' x 24' deck, not 24"x24". Are you just throwing gas on the fire? 2.75/ sq. ft. for materials? W...T...F...

Mac

WilsonRMDL · 04-09-2008, 08:52 PM

After reading this post I just went back and looked at a deck I just bid on for a family friend. Basic 20'x26' rectangular, PT, 30" off the ground. My bid was $4150. I basically did my materials and said well I think I want to make $2000 on this deck. By the square foot I basically just charged $7.98/sq.ft. I feel like an idiot now haha.

Brock · 04-09-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BuilderRemodler

There is a balance between our mark ups and finding the best service for the customer.
Quality Counts and is number one. We usually use 4 x 6 or 6 x 6 support posts and 2 x 10 or 2 x 12 support beams and joists.

With a competitive market however $5000 - $6000 seems to be top dollars for this deck. References are needed customers are informed now a days and often when we have lost bids it is to good smaller builders and younger guys who actually did Nice work for the most part.

Materials stated are not even in the neighborhood of accuracy.
We use only Selected Stock and it seems more realistic in the range of one half of your estimated dollars for materials. We do have footers and most fasteners stocked.
Five Days of Labor with a good two man crew may be close
$2400. $1600 Actual Dollars in Materials. 25% Mark Up
$5000.00 Estimate should be an accurate close bid for budget conscious folk.
Upper End Work changes the scenario and bid pricing.

Keep in mind there are deck builders in here that say it will take two days for two men to screw down a deck of this size. I think myself and a helper are at the slow end and can do it in about 2 - 3 hours. So when you factor in these huge swings in experience, it's no wonder the pricing is all over the place. I would take it in a heartbeat for 6k and be done easy in 4 days with myself and my helper.

JumboJack · 04-09-2008, 11:40 PM

Sun up to sunset 7 days a week?No way in they world would I do that!If it takes you that much time to make a living find a new field.My family is way to important to me to not spend any quality time with them.

BuiltByMAC · 04-10-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Keep in mind there are deck builders in here that say it will take two days for two men to screw down a deck of this size. I think myself and a helper are at the slow end and can do it in about 2 - 3 hours. So when you factor in these huge swings in experience, it's no wonder the pricing is all over the place.

Would you be willing to post some pics of decks you've built so we can get an idea where you're coming from and what your quality is? You're very quick to trash talk methods that are slower than yours but you're not backing up the smack w/ pics of your own work. Most of the deck guys here have links to their work. If you can do something in a FRACTION of the time and have the same quality, I'll learn something from you.

Mac

Brock · 04-10-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BuiltByMAC

Would you be willing to post some pics of decks you've built so we can get an idea where you're coming from and what your quality is? You're very quick to trash talk methods that are slower than yours but you're not backing up the smack w/ pics of your own work. Most of the deck guys here have links to their work. If you can do something in a FRACTION of the time and have the same quality, I'll learn something from you.

Mac

Where do you find that I'm tash talking? Would you set a pergola on top of a deck or remove the boards and sink the posts? To me it's lazy building and it violates our codes here to build like this.Just yesterday in our area we had straight line winds over 90 mph. Several trees are down. Maybe this one could withstand that but I don't build that way. One of my competitors has a tag line I wish I would have thought of first. It reads,"We build the best and fix the rest." Since this is a forum designed for giving and recieving advice, you have the option of learning a concept or discounting a concept. If someone posts pics of potentially dangerous building pratices that may violate a code section, I would hope you get a lot of "trash talk".

BuiltByMAC · 04-10-2008, 06:06 PM

I'm talking about your mad deck screwing skills that you talk of in this thread. If you're that fast, and your quality is the same as mine or others on this site, what am I missing?

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Originally Posted by Brock

Day 1 set all posts. Day two framing/joist hangers Day 3 Run out flooring and cut stringers. Day 4 Cut post tops, install railings, install steps.

Now we're both talking about a 24' by 24' deck, right?

I "think" we build different kinds of decks, which would mean comparing our methods would be comparing apples to oranges

So, no pics? I would be most interested in seeing a 24'x24' deck that was built in 4 days.

Mac

Bone Saw · 04-10-2008, 06:18 PM

not to mention the mighty quick turnaround on inspection schedualing, or lack thereof

redwood · 04-10-2008, 09:32 PM

In the olden days, when I was much younger. We figured 133 sq. ft a day (footings, framing, and decking), for a 3 man crew. That was using nail guns for the decking (ring shank nails, of course). That did not include any railing or steps.

PA woodbutcher · 04-14-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Keep in mind there are deck builders in here that say it will take two days for two men to screw down a deck of this size. I think myself and a helper are at the slow end and can do it in about 2 - 3 hours. So when you factor in these huge swings in experience, it's no wonder the pricing is all over the place. I would take it in a heartbeat for 6k and be done easy in 4 days with myself and my helper.

Framed 16" OC @ 250 screws per 100 sq ' comes to somewhere in the area of 1500 screws. Figuring your high end at 6 man hours thats 250 screws an hour. How do those twisted boards get put down? Where they land? Figuring snapping lines, after the boards are tacked in place. When do you have time to fill your pouches? I have a quik drive, but don't use it on decks because its too difficult to get a consistant drive in PT, kinda sucks ass you might say. I also use a strap nailer and palm nailer for my joist hangers, which saves a tone of time in the framing. I also like to spend a little extra time on the rail as thats the first thing that peope look at. I'm looking at a good week anyways. Didn't figure it, but guessing at 2,500 to 2,700 in materials

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bsbll02 View Profile bsbll02 Registered User Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Registered User Trade: remodeling Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1	Re: 24x24 Deck [ quote=amanandhisvan;404647]Hey Everybody!!!! I just wanted to vent, and get your guys opinion. I have a friend of mine who just bought a new house. He wants a 24x24 deck with one set of 6' stairs. My Partner and I were slow for work so I went up to my buddies house and did a layout to get an estimate together for him. I was only going to charge him for materials and very low labor $400 a day for 2 men. The materials came to approx. $3500 for pressure treated lumber and screws,lags,hangers,ETC, Etc, etc,. Plus rental on auger. We have to sink and cement 6 6x6 posts. So my partner tells him it would take us about 2 weeks to build the deck from start to finish. So thats $7500 for the new deck. That day I give my buddy the price and he laughs and says all he could afford right now would be the materials. So a couple weeks go by and I have already wrote off the deck. My buddy calls me the other day and says that a guy who built a 10x10 deck next door said he could build his deck for him for $3100. This contractor is also making the deck larger 30x24. He told my buddy to just dig 3 holes for him for his support post and beam.(Contractor will do the rest of the work) I cant see how this is possible for $3100!!!! Plus the fact that he doesnt have enough support for that size deck!!! My materials alone were $3500!!! Is this guy stealing his lumber from somewhere!! Anyways now my buddy acts as if I was trying to give him a raw deal!!! I told him to go ahead and let the guy build the deck but dont call me when the SHT falls down!!! I just want to get some opinions!!! He basically said in so many words u and you partner are a rip off!!!! I love this ***!! Never do work for friends or Family!!! THE GOLDEN RULE!!!!:fur ious:[/quote]

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