Why Does Code Note Require Gfci Breakers On Electric Water Heaters?

ARealplumber

No solar. It was on a breaker. The breaker was off and so were all the other breakers in the outside main panel. I dont think petey has a freakin clue so he decided to make a wise crack. I have a tester and the wire was tested. Now if petey will listen he might just learn a thing or two.

480sparky

Whatcha gonna learn him? How to test for power when you think the power is off?

Or are you wanting us to guess there was another panel somewhere INSIDE?

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ARealplumber

Your in 1st place so far. Sit back and learn somthing

ARealplumber

The power company lost its ground at the power pole. It was feeding intermittant voltage back to the house. Have a nice day electricians.

Celtic

Grab the popcorn!!!


The plumba is gonna school the 'lectricians!


I have a prediction:
You are gonna love....absolutely LOVE ...how this ends
It doesn't go well for you.

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480sparky

I would have a nice day if you could explain how a lost ground at the pole can magically bypass the panel.

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ARealplumber

I love this movie.

480sparky

Yea, it's got fiction, comedy and lots of zany characters.

How about you make it a documentary now?

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ARealplumber

It was feeding through the neutral at the panel from the pole. Who knows what else was wrong with the house...maybe it didn't have a ground rod at the service panel i have no clue. I'm no electrician nor claim to be. I just know the power company came out and corrected the problem at the POLE. I never said i could explain it. I was hoping one of you could explain it.

Celtic

Riddle me this:

How was voltage present with the CB off.
Yes, we know there was no power feeding the panel, but electricity likes to travel back AND forth....not one way.
So what was it's return path?
The water pipes/heaters shell was bonded.
The grounds and neutrals bonded at panel.

So where did it go?


See in order to have a voltage, you must have a circuit, you must have a difference of potential.
You don't have any differences.


If you crap in a tube and the tube is sealed at one end, can the crap ever exit from that end?

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ARealplumber

I will find the answer out for you and the sake of your customers. You can count on it. I'll call the poweer co tomm. Unless sombody else here can explain the "why and how".

480sparky

Uh, how does the neutral affect an appliance that does not connect to it?

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ARealplumber

UH aren't the neutrals and the grounds bonded together in the main outside panel. The voltage was coming into the house to the water heater through the ground wire with the BREAKERS OFF

Celtic

Clearly, you're an idiot:

I sat back...





waiting....





hoping.....







lingering on your every post....





to hopefully learn the answer .....













to this mind boggling mystery.














I gotta say....quite frankly, I'm disappointed.


The trophy is yours....hands down

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480sparky

Then maybe you can explain this one:

I was working in a house... doing a rewire. The house had sat empty for two years, and all services had been turned off. No electric, gas, water, phone, cable, anything.

Now, the water had been shut off at the street. But every time we flushed the toilet, water would come shooting out of the vent up on the roof. It did this every time we flushed the toilet. And this was a two-story house.



I'll be the first to call BS on your story. Either it's totally fabricated, or there's far more to it that you're letting us in on. You mistakenly believe that just because there's a wire between two points it is energized just because it's a wire.

Stick to plumbing..... shît runs downhill, and payday is Friday.

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ARealplumber

Tell me what would happen if the power company lost its ground at transformer?

macmikeman

Protech stick to plumbing. You are so far off with that statement it is actually quite humorous. Thank you for that. I think I am going to have to raid the plumbers forum with insane stuff like that one.

Celtic

Last guy almost didn't make it back...
http://www.plumbingzone.com/f4/creating-service-division-4817/

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macmikeman

I will. Pretty much nothing unless there is a SWER system in use at that location.

Celtic

aww...Mac.....I was hoping he would call

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