Why does code note require gfci breakers on electric water heaters? - Page 10 - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

ARealplumber · 09-30-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ARealplumber

I was disconnecting an electric water heater at a home. I turned the power off to the water heater. Opened the cover at the top for the wire connections to the unit,pulled the wired out and they sparked. I turned every breaker in the outside panel off and it still would spark. I know the reason why this happened but was curious as to what others think it was.

HERE IS MY ORIGINAL POST. I STAND BY THE STATEMENT I KNOW THE REASON. THE REASON WAS GIVEN TO ME THAT THE POWER CO HAD A PROBLEM AT THE POWERPOLE. Dont try to take a word out of context to make up for your lack of knowledge. read the LONG AZZ post with the answer you friend posted a few minutes ago. Go ahead and learn somthing.

Magnettica · 09-30-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ARealplumber

HERE IS MY ORIGINAL POST. I STAND BY THE STATEMENT I KNOW THE REASON. THE REASON WAS GIVEN TO ME THAT THE POWER CO HAD A PROBLEM AT THE POWERPOLE. Dont try to take a word out of context to make up for your lack of knowledge. read the LONG AZZ post with the answer you friend posted a few minutes ago. Go ahead and learn somthing.

He already knows what's written in that article. I posted that info for you so your face will turn red when you realize the article says what they said in post #155 and #162.

ARealplumber · 09-30-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnettica

He already knows what's written in that article. I posted that info for you so your face will turn red when you realize the article says what they said in post #155 and #162.

I guess you dont read well either. Compare the lenght of the magazine article you posted to those posts. OK NOW TELL MR SPARKY THAT THE BREAKERS BEING OFF WILL NOT STOP IT FROM HAPPENING. THINK YOU CAN DO THOSE TWO THINGS?
post number 162 was posted this morning around 6 am. what happened lastnight?

Magnettica · 09-30-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

IF (and there's several ifs here!):

1. The service lost it's neutral connection completely between the pole and the house...... and IF
2. some or all of the breakers were still turned on...... and IF
3. some of those breakers that were left on supplied multi-wire branch circuits.... and IF
4. said mwbc's had enough load imbalance on them to create a potential current to ground on it's neutral......... and IF
5. the water heater ground itself was the only path left for said unbalanced current to follow............. Then

I could see it happening. But that's a lot of if's.

However, if ALL the breakers were actually off, I'll say there's no way the ground could spark.

Another possibility (and a long shot, I'm sure you'll agree): Static or devinely-timed lightning.

I agree with everything other than "if ALL the breakers were actually off, I'll say there's no way the ground could spark" because if the neighbors service is powered from the same transformer there is still a load there, but not if all their breakers are off too which is what he probably meant.

Just admit that this technical talk is way over your head Mr Plumberman.

480sparky · 09-30-2009, 01:53 PM

OK, I am going put this as simple and sincerely as possible:

It is painfully obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. You are a poser. And a troll. And a liar. You should stick to plumbing because shît runs downhill and payday is Friday.

You claim this..... You claim that. But you cannot provide any sort of evidence, proof, information, documentation, anything other than you say 'Well, it happened!".

Fine. Believe what you will. I'm sure the union just loves to have self-dilusional helpers on the jobsites.

I wish you well in your endeavors in life. May your illusions of grandeur provide you with many lovely surprises in the future.

You are not worthy of any more of my attention. I will punch out now.

ARealplumber · 09-30-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnettica

I agree with everything other than "if ALL the breakers were actually off, I'll say there's no way the ground could spark" because if the neighbors service is powered from the same transformer there is still a load there, but not if all their breakers are off too which is what he probably meant.

Just admit that this technical talk is way over your head Mr Plumberman.

I totally admit it. Ive been saying it from the start. I never said i could explain it all. I was attacked from the start. I see mr sparky doesn;t want to talk about it anymore......i guess he doesn;t agree that the breakers has nothing to do with it. Atleast he admits now it CAN happen.

Magnettica · 09-30-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

OK, I am going put this as simple and sincerely as possible:

It is painfully obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. You are a poser. And a troll. And a liar. You should stick to plumbing because shît runs downhill and payday is Friday.

You claim this..... You claim that. But you cannot provide any sort of evidence, proof, information, documentation, anything other than you say 'Well, it happened!".

Fine. Believe what you will. I'm sure the union just loves to have self-dilusional helpers on the jobsites.

I wish you well in your endeavors in life. May your illusions of grandeur provide you with many lovely surprises in the future.

You are not worthy of any more of my attention. I will punch out now.

I agree!

**ChrWright** · 09-30-2009, 02:26 PM

I think the OP got the info he needed.

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