What A Mess.

nywoodwizard

It certainly sounds like a butcher, with a rusty 78' F250

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Tiger

The main complaint of the OP doesn't seem to be the code violation, but the drywall damage. Here in "conduit country" we're pretty proud of our need to create holes. I have a line in my contract that I'm not patching them. I would have used a drywall saw instead of a hammer, but there still would have been holes to patch. Is it really that big a deal? Does the decorator really care? Make the holes cleaner with a saw & patch them!

BTW one of the coolest stories I ever heard was an electrician (new construction) that had to add a light (with conduit) after drywall. He used a chainsaw to groove the drywall.



Dave

220/221

I pride myself on doing remodel stuff with minimal or no drywall damage. It take some extra time and patience but is such a waste of resources to have a dwall gut and painter have to come in behind me if it's not necessary.


And, although against code, I will also will feed UC lights from a SA circuit. I mean, it's RIGHT there where I need it.

Celtic

Lemme quote Pete here, because he stated it so eloquently:


Please...explain to us why you would ever even consider doing that 220/221?

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not2late

OP here

Customer has decided to hire another electrician to do the job right. Will tear out the connections to the small appliance circuits and wire them in to the lighting circuit. All the new under cabinet lights will be hard wired. His painter will repair the damage to the drywall.

I wasn't really all that concerned about the drywall damage. More concerned about the fact that this guy did so much unnecessary damage plus created an illegal install.

I do want to make it clear though that I did not recommend the original electrician or the one that will repair the problems. My contract states no electrical work provided on this job.

For the record I thought that $280 was cheap. Usually runs $300-$350 for a new microwave circuit depending on access and box location.

Regarding Craigslist; its not all bad. I have worked jobs that have been advertised on there. Cabinet and countertop installs needed by homeowners who purchased the stuff and then are overwhelmed. I don't discount any prices to them. Cash only. Generally they are happy to pay after having a bunch of people quote low prices and then not show up or better yet ask to use the homeowners tools to do the job.

Speedy Petey

Thanks.
I try my best to be eloquent.

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220/221

Let's see ????

30 years in the trade, check
15 years into current business, check
Licence, check
Office, check
Staff, check
Accountant, check
Warehouse, check
Trucks, check
Tools, check
Techs, check


Well.....it appears that I am.

I'm the greatest guy in the world, an excellent mechanic and everybody loves me but I just get a kick out of ****ing with the internet hard asses.


My new signature says it all.


I realize that it is against code but, like a number of things, can you tell me why it's unsafe? I will honestly listen and try to understand.

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Just because it's within code doesn't make it safe.

Just because it's against code doesn't make it unsafe.

Celtic

That ain't the way it works...
If you KNOW it's against code - why are you working at lower than hack level?

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Celtic

Keep up the good work

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220/221

That's the way it works for me so....I guess you're wrong


I understand being passionate about a cause you believe in but if you can't support something with facts, all you have is "that is what it says" and that was NEVER good enough for me.

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Just because it's within code doesn't make it safe.

Just because it's against code doesn't make it unsafe.

220/221

I just noticed that we actually think very much alike.

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Just because it's within code doesn't make it safe.

Just because it's against code doesn't make it unsafe.

L. B. Condulet

Many people like to point out that the new American government routinely broke treaties it made with the Indians, but this is not really true. The American government would sign treaties with various "chiefs" only later to learn that these chief's had no authority or control over the indians in their tribe.

The average indian could and would do as he pleased and did not care what contracts on of the tribal elders may have had with the Government.

So because of the looseness and lack of organization of Indian culture, no real and valid treaties could possibly exist in the first place.

Celtic

No...we don't.


How much do you make on the hack job?
How much do you make on a complaint install?

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Celtic

Sounds very much like what happened to Santa Anna and the Treaties of Velasco.

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220/221

I make the same no matter what I do.

I am salaried @ about 130k plus insurance, truck, gas and an occaisional bonus.

And....if you continue to call me a hack I will start to take it personal.

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Just because it's within code doesn't make it safe.

Just because it's against code doesn't make it unsafe.

L. B. Condulet

I was unaware of that but I looked it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_Velasco

"Mexico's position was that Santa Anna had no legal standing in the Mexican government to agree to those terms or negotiate a treaty; Santa Anna's position was that he had signed the documents under coercion as a prisoner, not as a surrendering general in accordance with the laws of warfare. In fact, he had no authority under the Mexican Constitution to make a treaty, and in any case, the treaty was never ratified by the Mexican government."

Interesting.

Celtic

I knew that you would ....I supplied no link.

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is the next step

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L. B. Condulet

Very cool, I live in this area


They mentioned border disputes occurred after this treaty, I'd say they're still occurring.

Celtic

That's just a rumor spread on the internet

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Chris75

If I was your employee and saw you doing that, I would call you a hack also.