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Old 02-04-2018, 08:24 PM   #1
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So to be specific about my question. My inspector is calling me out on my shower can lights. The trims are plastic but he stating that they need to be GFCI protected. All hes been telling me is its in the code book but were just starting to enforce it. So I look to my fellow CT members to help me out. What code might he sighting?
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The one for bath fans.

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When an inspector tells you "It's in the Code", then your response should be "Tell me where."

That said, I'll take 110.3(B) for $600, Alex.
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Just put the whole bathroom on a combination Arc fault/ground fault breaker and be done with it $50
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So to be specific about my question. My inspector is calling me out on my shower can lights. The trims are plastic but he stating that they need to be GFCI protected. All he’s been telling me is it’s in the code book but we’re just starting to enforce it. So I look to my fellow CT members to help me out. What code might he sighting?
If it is in the shower zone defined in the NEC is needs to be wet location rated, outside the zone damp rated. I know of no NEC requirement for it to be GFCI protected. Your area may have amended the code to include it.

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Show him this

410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations.

(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected
luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting
track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall
be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally
and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or
shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes
the space directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires
located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub
or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8ft) vertically from the top
of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for
damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to
shower spray.


P.S Before you show him this, make sure the light is rated "for wet location"
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If it is in the shower zone defined in the NEC is needs to be wet location rated, outside the zone damp rated. I know of no NEC requirement for it to be GFCI protected. Your area may have amended the code to include it.

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Well yeah it is a wet location. I put the wet location switch covers on anytime I open up anything or add anything to a bathroom drives my customers nuts as I can only find them in one color.
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410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations.

(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected
luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting
track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall
be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally
and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or
shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes
the space directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires
located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub
or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8ft) vertically from the top
of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for
damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to
shower spray.


P.S Before you show him this, make sure the light is rated "for wet location"

None of which applies to a recessed light requiring GFCI.
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Good question.

Per the NEC and the IRC it just needs to be wet-location rated, it does not have to be GFCI protected. 210.8 calls out "receptacles" in a bathroom. A can light is not a receptacle.

I can't paste the picture here because the NFPA protects all its images, but there's a good pic in the 2014 NEC handbook that covers it (exhibit 210.9).

The IRC refers to receptacles as well, not outlets.

Receptacle: A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke.

HOWEVER: The UL listing on the wet location fixture will almost always require the fixture to be GFCI protected. So, technically, the answer is: it depends on the listing on the light fixture. See here:

http://www.jlconline.com/how-to/plum...wer-lighting_o
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None of which applies to a recessed light requiring GFCI.
Yes, that doesn't apply in this case... I checked in my house and I have a recess in my shower and I have a blank GFI on the wall for that and the sconces around the tub.
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Yes, that doesn't apply in this case... I checked in my house and I have a recess in my shower and I have a blank GFI on the wall for that and the sconces around the tub.
The sconces are wet location rated?
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[QUOTE=rrk;6764450]The sconces are wet location rated?[/Q]

I don't remember I build my house 15 years ago, and my wife picked out everything. So either they connected to the GFI or safe distance from the tub. I remember vaguely this question came up during rough, but I don't remember exactly what it was. The town is pretty tough and every inspection was done with a "fine brush" so I'm pretty sure it's code compliant.

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