Taping Outlets/switches

mickeyco

Here's a picture for you.






I was taught to tape the wire nuts, after twisting them with the linemans (mandatory), this was before the "newer" style wire nuts. Big controversy when the "newer" style ones said you didn't need to twist them.

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Celtic

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I find that a metal box is not a problem....I see more issues with plastic boxes and romex ~ primarily the grounding not being tucked in enough and making contact with hot terminals.....which goes right back to #1 above.

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Celtic

This could have happen by any of the three:
- open shop
- closed shop
- PA's own electrical shop

Not all "electrician's" are created equally.

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nap

why work it hot??

well, the guy running the office said I could not turn off the 37 other work stations because if all of those women stopped working at once, he would never get them working again.


Celtic, while we all endevour to work as safe as possible, there are times where working a device hot is just what it takes to do what we have to do. The above is an obvious exagerration but it hints at one of the situations where it is not practical to turn off a circuit. And yes, I understand that if I would short out the circuit they would all be off anyway but that is where my work quality comes in to play and do not short out anything.



as well, although a properly installed device should not need to be taped, unless you personally have installed every device in the country, you deal with whatever somebody else has done and we all know that not everybody has the same quality of work as you.

Personallly, I do not like working on taped receps because I hate the black sticky that remains but in a real world, it is just prudent in many situations.

I live in a real world, not a perfect one.

neolitic

Hmmm?

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Celtic

So the offices "convenience" is more valuable than your own personal safety?
Let them pay the premium for you to come in after hours.


I do too.

Here is a real world question:
Which is (potentially) more lethal....working an outlet "hot" or cutting in a service "hot"?

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nap

"potentially" they are equal with potential being the operative word.


Realistically, the more dangerous would be cutting in a service hot due to the potential (not in voltage terms) current probable. (not "possible" since each point could possibly have the full current available from the POCO present IF safety systems do not operate properly).

You are going to get a bigger fireball from the service should something short than shorting the recep.

here is where that real world comes in. The bank boss is not going to open the bank after hours to allow for a change out of a recep. Just not realistic.

Celtic

Is the amount of current required to kill a person any different at an outlet than at the service



(Nice technical explanation BTW ...not a "dig", I do mean it)

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Celtic

But you accepting the hazard (or worse, you accepting the hazard and allowing your men to perform) is acceptable?

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mickeyco

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nap

absolutely not and I do understand your points. That is where my work methods make work safe or dangerous. I attempt to work to where if there is a short, it is not going to be through me to ground. There are also limits to what I will do as well. It beciomes a case by case situation and if at all possiblem, I do shut down the power. It is just not realistic in some situatoins.

Do the guys at the substations shut down the entire section of town to do their work?

Do the linemen shut down the several blocks affected that it would take to install a transformer and it not be hot?

No, because it is not reasonable and they work as safely as possible to avoid injury. I attempt to work in the same manner.

everything we do in life has a level of hazard appointed to it. That is where we, as reasonable and intelligent men, must make a decision and decide at what level of hazard do we continue on and deal with it.

Driving to work is infinately more dangerous than me working a recep hot since I control the situaoin with the recep but I have no control of the hundreds of other drivers I see daily yet I do drive to work each day.

When I get into a situation where I believe it is not reasonably safe to continue, I will shut down the progress and take measures needed to restore the safety level I require to assure myself I am not going to be injured.

I never demand a man work beyond his comfort level either.

and thanks for the compliment

dkillianjr

Build, You took the words right out of my mouth haha


Dave

neolitic

Brave fools!

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dkillianjr

haha Don't forget about cleaning too, the sweeper is electric


Dave

Magnettica

Not all "electrician's" are created equally. I like that!

And as far as a closed shop doing f'ed up work I am not suprised one bit. As u know I work at a union shop and I see bad work all the time. Just because someone is in a union does not mean they know more or can do better work than a non-union guy. And that goes the other way as well.

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Magnettica

Oh, and I'm still going to tape any and all electrical devices installed in a metal box. Sorry, Celtic. I'm a diehard in that sense.

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Celtic

Go right ahead Mag...tape away.

I'll hang onto my tape for important stuff...like making band-aids

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pudge565

buildenterprise you are a sexist women have as much of a right to be an electrician as you do.

mickeyco

Didn't see that one coming.

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