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Old 08-30-2008, 08:19 PM   #21
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Sorry I did not see a list of options to choose from.

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Old 08-30-2008, 10:12 PM   #22
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That is real good info magnetica and thanks for all your posts. You are have always been very informative. And in this situation if the voltage was not eliminated by shutting down the main or finding an individual circuit I would start testing the neutral and call the utility. I was shocked myself real good myself from a water meter jumper about ten years ago and learned real fast what a main neutral can do if it opens up!
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See what happens when you ask a carpenter about an electrical problem
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I know that some older homes used the copper plumbing as grounds. This is not good for numerous reasons but could supply an answer to your problem.

I do little HV electrical on homes but have seen the results of these grounds on the plumbing.
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If the plumbing is bonded properly to ground, it cannot become hot, no matter what fault occurs in the home appliances because plumbing and ground are bonded together.
Unless the grounded service conductor has failed. Then the current will use the other paths to "ground" thru the plumbing and ufer/ground rods.

It happens.
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About 8 years ago my helper got nailed taking a shower when he touched the faucet handles. The floor was wet when this happened. When his dad called me over to check it out, I later found that the house was originally a ranch, but they added another story. Originally I thought it was a ground problem but found nothing. Later I decided to take my meter and read voltages from the faucet to ground, found nothing, but then I read from the tub to ground and got 100V. Since current drainage systems use PVC the tub was not grounded and also isolated from the faucets because they are on the wall. I decided to cut the ceiling out in the 1st florr under the tub and found a nail throught a piece of RX. The nail was always hot, but when the floor got wet it conducted to the metal tub.
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I know that some older homes used the copper plumbing as grounds.
Using plumbing as your return path is bad news, but bonding a metal water supply to the electrical service is very important.

Though having this bond creates situations like this, it does in fact prevent them from being deadly.
In a fault condition like this, unbalanced current will use the water pipe and anything else that completes the circuit.
Current will use every path back to it's source that is available and distribute it's amps proportionately to the resistance on each of those paths.

If the the low impedance bond between the water pipe and service were not in place then the person in the bathroom may feel a shock when no water is on the floor and possibly a fatal shock when standing in a puddle of water.

And referrencing another thread; if the circuit or service were GFCI protected the problem would be seen without a shock ever being felt.

I apologize for using your quote Teetor, didn't mean to sound like I'm harping on you
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I just finished saying electrical ground has to be bonded to plumbing. Now you argue the plumbing is hot? If the plumbing is bonded properly to ground, it cannot become hot, no matter what fault occurs in the home appliances because plumbing and ground are bonded together.

What if plumbing is not grounded? That was not an option. Copper plumbing is bonded to electrical where it enters the home. Jumpers bypass valves where teflone tape can cause isolation.

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When you fail to bond grounds together, you place peoples lives at risk. Grounds need to be bonded together at the power entrance to the building. That includes copper plumbing, telephone, satellite dishes etc. If a fault in any appliance can put life in danger, you have failed your job through negligence, because you must anticipate appliances can fail with a short circuit to the grounded appliance cabinet when they have a failure. That is why ground does not have current flow. Power return is through neutral, not ground. A short circuit from hot to ground in any appliance should blow the breaker, not light up the house plumbing and make it live. You think what you like. Remind me not to touch a toaster oven and metal sink in your home!

The only way anyone can get a tingle from touching a plumbing fixture while standing on the floor is if someone has done a negligent job.
yea theres no way the plumbing could be hot cause ive never seen an installation that wasnt up to code
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If the plumbing is bonded properly to ground, it cannot become hot, no matter what fault occurs in the home appliances because plumbing and ground are bonded together.
If the plumbing is all bonded and the service neutral becomes open (cut), the plumbing then becomes the "neutral" or path to "ground".
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