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Old 08-02-2010, 09:11 PM   #21
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Old 08-02-2010, 09:13 PM   #22
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I'm still writing the Cadpoint-to-English section.
i had a guy in Beligrade that was able to decipher Cadpoint...but oddly, he died in a self-inflicted spork accident...weird, huh?
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i had a guy in Beligrade that was able to decipher Cadpoint...but oddly, he died in a self-inflicted spork accident...weird, huh?
Did he fork when he shoulda spooned?
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Then we need more 12 year old retards doing electrical. I have seen some pretty bad stuff over the years...and electrical isn't even my thing.
Not trying to start an arguement, but I dont know how many old houses I have straightened out that had the neutral and hot reversed, old old systems with no ground. You wonder why they have burnt to the ground or killed someone.
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Did he fork when he shoulda spooned?
nah, he jambed it in the back of his neck and severed his spine...they say he missed his mouth...
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Not trying to start an arguement, but I dont know how many old houses I have straightened out that had the neutral and hot reversed, old old systems with no ground. You wonder why they have burnt to the ground or killed someone.
And they were probably wired by someone with more intelligence than a 12-year old.
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Adding another sillcock probably won't kill somebody. How many people do you know have gotten killed from leaking water pipes?
Maybe not leaking, but people have died from bad plumbing work.

However, I'll take Irish & Willwork's side in this. You guys are indeed overprotective of your specialty. Quite understandable considering what you have invested in it, but still over the top.

Basic electrical work is very elementary, and doesn't take an Einstein to understand and do safely. Not complex high voltage multiphase stuff, but general residential work really is often less complicated than hooking up a high-end stereo.

As long as the guy doing it has enough sense to know when he's getting in over his head, no harm done. Other than robbing the mystical priesthood of quick & easy cash.
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Not trying to start an arguement, but I dont know how many old houses I have straightened out that had the neutral and hot reversed, old old systems with no ground. You wonder why they have burnt to the ground or killed someone.
Well that's my point! Someone had to have reversed the hot or missed a ground....
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Maybe not leaking, but people have died from bad plumbing work.

However, I'll take Irish & Willwork's side in this. You guys are indeed overprotective of your specialty. Quite understandable considering what you have invested in it, but still over the top.

Basic electrical work is very elementary, and doesn't take an Einstein to understand and do safely. Not complex high voltage multiphase stuff, but general residential work really is often less complicated than hooking up a high-end stereo.

As long as the guy doing it has enough sense to know when he's getting in over his head, no harm done. Other than robbing the mystical priesthood of quick & easy cash.
So how is 'basic' electrical work "safer" than 'complex high voltage multiphase stuff'?

Electricity does not know it's phase, voltage, whether it's in a house or not, or the intelligence of the person turning the switch on.
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Well that's my point! Someone had to have reversed the hot or missed a ground....
My point is I'm not an "electrician", way past that.
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Maybe not leaking, but people have died from bad plumbing work.

However, I'll take Irish & Willwork's side in this. You guys are indeed overprotective of your specialty. Quite understandable considering what you have invested in it, but still over the top.

Basic electrical work is very elementary, and doesn't take an Einstein to understand and do safely. Not complex high voltage multiphase stuff, but general residential work really is often less complicated than hooking up a high-end stereo.

As long as the guy doing it has enough sense to know when he's getting in over his head, no harm done. Other than robbing the mystical priesthood of quick & easy cash.
i have a cabin in NE PA (sullivan county)...no licensing..it was wired by the local jack of all trades...and besides the legitimate, and technical, code violations, it's a mess...not nearly enough wire to work on devices or junction boxes...buried junction boxes....etc...etc...maybe not things to cause panic, but frustratingly amatuerish and f'ing annoying...all because some jackleg figured "this is so easy, even a 12 yr old retarded caveman can do it..."...

just cause it works, and doesn't blow up immediately, doesn't mean that it's correct...
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Basic electrical work should be very elementary
I agree more with that statement. Problem is, when someone screws it up, the results can be pretty bad.

Regular people screw up paint jobs. Well, you know the rest...
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Not trying to start an arguement
But you did!
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I should listen to the news more, cause I just dont hear much about people dying from electrical stuff. Sorry mods, not trying to start a fight, just cant resist one.
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OK Lobby your state legistlature or better yet go to the beltway and get a law passed to prohibit home centers from selling any wire products, fittings, boxes, lights, switches, breakers, etc. Some years ago I peed some people off when I moved my house trailer unto a 1/2 acre lot and had electric service the night I moved in. I already had my 4/0 cable. I connected it in the trailer, connected it at meter base, and yes 2 ground rods, 1 at trailer, 1 at meter base. Threw switches....damn no juice. Hmm. Turn off switches pull meter, remove plastic tabs on back, reinsert, throw switches.. viola! These people were steamed because they had to "camp out" for a week or 2 and I was lit the first night. Someone had sour grapes and called Utility co. I got scolded.
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OK Lobby your state legistlature or better yet go to the beltway and get a law passed to prohibit home centers from selling any wire products, fittings, boxes, lights, switches, breakers, etc.
I'd rather lobby to get rid of stupid people
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I should listen to the news more, cause I just dont hear much about people dying from electrical stuff. Sorry mods, not trying to start a fight, just cant resist one.
The reason you don't hear about it is because it takes months, maybe years, for the fire marshal to determine the ultimate cause. If a house is blown off it's foundation by an explosion in the basement, well, it's pretty obvious there was a gas leak. Chemical-sniffing dogs can quickly identify accelerants used to torch a house.

But fires caused by electrical faults are harder to pin down, and take a lot of time to fully investigate. By then, it's old news and the the press could care less about it.
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The reason you don't hear about it is because it takes months, maybe years, for the fire marshal to determine the ultimate cause. If a house is blown off it's foundation by an explosion in the basement, well, it's pretty obvious there was a gas leak. Chemical-sniffing dogs can quickly identify accelerants used to torch a house.

But fires caused by electrical faults are harder to pin down, and take a lot of time to fully investigate. By then, it's old news and the the press could care less about it.
If its that freakin dangerous lobby your local congressman to get electrical supplies pulled out of box stores. I can (and have) wired an entire house from lowes or home depo, panel included. Not that difficult, more physical work then anything.
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A 12 year old retard can figure out normal wiring, its not that difficult, seriously.
Maybe when you turn 12 you can give it a shot Corky.
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If its that freakin dangerous lobby your local congressman to get electrical supplies pulled out of box stores. I can (and have) wired an entire house from lowes or home depo, panel included. Not that difficult, more physical work then anything.

That's been tried, and failed miserably. Electricity itself is not dangerous. POOR ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS are.

Who cares if you wired a house entirely from material from a big box store? Is it somehow intrinsically less safe than what is carried by an electrical supply house? NO.

I'll agree with you.... anyone can make it work. But that don't make it safe.

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