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Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Is anyone using them? What's the pros/cons?
Found these at store today. Made by Tyco Electronics. Had seen them used on TV (TOH?) to connect pre-wired panels in a factory built house. Apparently, they are kosher by code. Although, 334-40b would seem to preclude them for use in the above example?? ![]() Seems useful if relocating an overhead light or something. But, at $7 a pop, not too practical for more than that.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
have seen these in double wide mobile homes to connect home runs , gfis ,and other circuits from one side of said home to the other,never have seen one fail but they are the push down type connectors
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Here's the skinny on them.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??Quote:
Last I checked into it...they DID comply with 334.40(B) [HOW?...I have no idea] IMHO, there are potentially dangerous....buried splices and that sort of line of thought [yeah..yeah...yeah...complies w/334.40(B)] I would not use them...if a fixture needs relocating ~ I would use one the more established and time tested methods.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??Quote:
Run into this issue frequently. These McMansions never seem to have the kitchen/dining room lighting installed where the HO wants. So, I need to relocate an OH fixture 2 bays away...of, course wires are too short. So I can rewire back to switch, or leave exposed (capped) original box and fish to new box. (am i missing another option other than track lighting? The rewiring is never an option due to cost. Cap and fish flies sometime, but most don't want to see a cover plate next to the new fixture. Seems that with the Tyco kit, I could extend the run, patch the old hole and have it look like the original work. In this situation, the splice is in an uninsulated cavity with a (generally) low amp draw. Would meet the intent of 334-40, no? ampman... yeah, these remind me of the scotch-lok connectors that car stereo installers are so fond of using. Those never fail
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Those were in my home in the basement "modular home" for when they connected the structure so i removed them and installed juntion boxes.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??Quote:
I do this all the time in bathrooms because 99.9% of the time, the HO doesn't have a clue about mirrors/med cabs at rough-in time.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Beautiful idea there 480. Would do that in my own house.
I wish that was the norm. Unfortunately, everything I'm dealing with is old work. I'd do the happy dance if I ever found some looped wire in a cavity.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
I Thought you were talking about old work & probably a 2 story. In that case, I usually try to pull any slack in the cable-sometime you can pull it back thru 1 ceiling joist & reroute it & might get enough. If not, I always give the customer 2 choices-either plugmold from on box to the other or run a new cable which usually means cutting a few square holes in the sheet rock to fish a new wire- & then patching them after..............
I would not use those splice kits- it would be better to actually have a running splice with the wires soldered together |
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??Quote:
Here a reply I posted on another forum in '07: Quote:
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Mr. Ken, It is nice to see someone else uses this method I never could understand mounting the box at rough-in because what if... ![]() You are covered for any change. |
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
If I install the light at or near a stud, I intall a pancake box. Between studs get a cut-in box.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
As a remodeler I have high hopes for this product due to the reduced instance of random junction boxes in ceilings etc.
As a former electrician this looks like a fire looking for a place to start not to mention trying to track one of these things down when buried in a wall or ceiling. |
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Scotch locks are solid....for an average of 9 years...
I'm skeptical because it looks very similar to the beloved Tap-In that is a standard amongst car audio & car accessory hacks. Back in my days of tinkering with vehicals the tapins worked great until you get a few daisy-chained then your left with such a weak connection that problems begin to arise. Quote:
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
I know this is a cheesy fix but how about extending the chain on the light fixture and using a swag kit
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
Just replace the zip cord.
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Re: Romex Splice And Tap Kit??
480, do you leave all that slack in there when you install the light or do you try and yank it all out after?
If you yank it all out do you ever have a problem with kinks?
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