|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
|
|
#41 | |
|
solar guy
Trade: solar contracting
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Annapolis Md
Posts: 1,883
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To FramingQuote:
Ahh the essence at lastAnd what do you think the fiire marshall will say when the house burns down and he finds 120 year old wiring with 1 year old wiring tied into it ? Do you think they cannot tell the difference between an old rubber and fabric insulation and a thermoplastic insulation? Even after a fire? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#42 | ||
|
solar guy
Trade: solar contracting
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Annapolis Md
Posts: 1,883
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To FramingQuote:
![]() Quote:
I could not have saiD this better myself! Besides YALE SUCKS AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT |
||
|
|
|
| The Following User Says Thank You to naptown CR For This Useful Post: | ChrWright (09-07-2009) |
|
|
#43 |
|
Its all ball bearings
Trade: Tile
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Will County, Illinois
Posts: 16,789
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
I know those EXACT lights. They are cheap-ass crap bought at Lowes. 4-pack for about $25. We just had to replace those same cans in a house last week. I could not believe how crappy they are. You look at them the wrong way, they bend.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...028&lpage=none with the added new construction kit. Good luck with those
__________________
Angus L+M+O+P=C ![]() "Promise only what you can deliver. Then deliver more than you promise" Last edited by angus242; 09-07-2009 at 10:42 PM. |
|
|
|
|
|
#44 |
|
woodchuck2
Trade: Electrical Contractor&Home Maintenance
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: North Creek, NY/Lower Adirondacks
Posts: 2,319
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
It is the typical elcheapo syndrom of the HO/customer/do it yourselfer that thinks Blowes and Home Dopey are the cheapest and the best. You can buy a Progressive can with an IC rating for the same money and is far superior in strength and quality. You also have more options for trim but that will cost a little extra.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#45 |
|
General Contractor
Trade: General Building Contractor
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 149
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
In all my years, I've worked with dozens if not hundreds of architects, the vast majority of whom knew the difference between IC and non-IC rated fixtures (and the appropriate installation applications for each). Licensed architects typically understand fire-resistive construction, the appropriate fixtures to be used in those assemblies, and the dire consequences of compromising said assemblies. It's ridiculously basic stuff.
Oh, and by the way, I too have a degree in architecture. Unfortunately, I must have missed the class on synergistic utilization of ignorance and arrogance in the built environment. Did they teach that in studio? |
|
|
|
|
|
#46 | |
|
solar guy
Trade: solar contracting
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Annapolis Md
Posts: 1,883
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To FramingQuote:
![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#47 |
|
Pro
Trade: Control Systems
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ottawa, ON
Posts: 4,109
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
The fun has so worn off of these gag threads, please can't someone spam the plumbing forum instead?
|
|
|
|
|
|
#48 |
|
Member
Trade: Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 65
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Shouldn't this have been in the post about pompous arses?
I have closed posts in the DIY board for this disregard for safety. |
|
|
|
|
|
#49 |
|
Pro
Trade: Construction
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: VA
Posts: 4,739
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Hey man im the master hack around here
Dont be coming on my this forum and taking away posts that that belong on my hack threads. Wondered why my thread went so dead
|
|
|
|
|
|
#50 | |
|
And I do electrical, too!
Trade: DEFENDER OF FREEDOM! ADVOCATE OF LIBERTY!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Iowa
Posts: 5,410
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To FramingQuote:
BCC, meet handyman99..........
__________________
Site : the area or exact plot of ground on which anything is, has been, or is to be located. Sight : The power or faculty of seeing; perception of objects by use of the eyes; vision. Cite : To mention in support, proof, or confirmation; refer to as an example. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#51 |
|
Pro
Trade: Construction
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: VA
Posts: 4,739
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing |
|
|
|
|
|
#52 |
|
Master Electrician
Trade: Electrical
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Midwest
Posts: 428
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
last year a HO brought me these beaming with joy on how much they saved. After I finally figured out how to use the springs to hold them in we eventually got them up (remodel types)after drywall. Putting a J-Box on top of the light with conductors mm's away ??? How the heck did that even get by UL label? I'm no rocket scientist but I think heat rises right? I refuse to ever install these pieces of crap ever again!
|
|
|
|
|
|
#53 |
|
Registered User
Trade: electrician
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Since you're obviously going top shelf, you should upgrade your service with an FPE or Zinsco to be extra safe. I believe since you're Yale fellow, you can probably afford a nice FPE split bus service.
Also, as an extra measure of safety, you should seal all the wood in the sealing with a good two coats of creosote. Have to scoot, but I am imrest wiph yer edyoocashun. Jethro |
|
|
|
|
|
#54 |
|
Electrosexual
Trade: Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: L O S A N G E L E S
Posts: 254
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
.
. This is perhaps the first time in history that a Yale grad, who works with his tools on, and is the last person in America doing Knob and Tube installations, and hangs out on construction forums has felt the need to post his academic credentials for all of us to see. This is truly delicious. Let's all sit back and bask in the warmth of memetic's intellectual achievements. A Master's degree from an ivy league college and he's swinging a hammer and trying to wire a recessed can. It may not be too late to get your tuition refunded. ![]() ![]() ![]() . . . Last edited by Zinsco; 11-18-2009 at 05:59 PM. |
|
|
|
|
|
#55 |
|
Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 94
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Hey memetic,
![]() ![]() MENSA called and they want their membership card back. |
|
|
|
|
|
#56 |
|
Pro
Trade: Licensed Electrical Contractor and Remodeler
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chicago Suburbs
Posts: 7,018
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
How did I miss this one?
![]() Big fun with a mental midget. (Oh sorry...Yalie) The movie Arthur comes to mind.
__________________
220...221...whatever it takes! |
|
|
|
|
|
#57 |
|
Pro
Trade: Master Electrican, Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 348
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Ok, macreferee steps in. Not that I like or care to install Commercial Electric recess lights model k-26 one little bit, but they are UL rated for NM-B romex cable in the junction box, which some here have a problem with. Please read 334.80. and then 334.112. NM-b is rated 90 deg c. Table 310.16 has romex in the 60 deg column but that is for determining ampacity, not the rating of the insulation. NM-B is rated at 90deg C, not 60 deg C.
Now as to installing k+T into a Commercial Electric recess light model k-26 that is a code violation. K+T has a 60 deg or less rated insulation and is not allowed to be connected to any light fixture in a dwelling, when the fixture has been manufactured for use in the USA after the year 1987. So, the jist is ok for nm-b in those cheap ass crummy cans and they are listed for such. NOT OK for knob and tube to be connected to those crummy little cans, nor is it ok to install K +T into any new light fixture in a dwelling. |
|
|
|
|
|
#58 | |
|
Pro
Trade: Master Electrican, Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 348
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To FramingQuote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#59 |
|
Pro
Trade: Electrical Contractor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 132
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Question - can you install a remodel can in a wood ceiling? Does the 1/2" rule apply? What about recessed puck lights?
I'm a personal fan of the 3" recessed lights pictured above. A couple years ago I bought 50 of them from HD with all sorts of cool trims for $2 a piece. That's trim, housing (if you can call it that), and lamp. Of course, they are a pain to install and its impossible for a HO to change the lamps. They look great in my basement and I have had zero issues with them. Knowing what I know about them now, I would not recondmend them to anyone. But I love mine and they look great.
__________________
Electrician in Alpharetta, Roswell, Atlanta |
|
|
|
|
|
#60 |
|
Master Electrician
Trade: Electrical
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Midwest
Posts: 428
|
Re: Recessed Lighting Close To Framing
Yes (if it's IC rated), No (if it's IC rated), I hate recessed pucks. Would I even install a 6" IC rated can up against a 2x10 No.
Did I win a prize or something? |
|
|
|
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Recessed lighting for shallow ceiling? | Chris G | Electrical | 16 | 12-02-2009 04:44 PM |
| Recessed lighting in a kitchen | MarcP | Electrical | 25 | 10-15-2009 05:48 PM |
| Recommendations for Low Voltage lighting | edmontondecks | Decks & Fencing | 8 | 08-01-2009 09:37 PM |
| Steel Framing Fasteners | Orca | Construction | 12 | 05-23-2009 08:25 AM |
| Recessed light cans, heat and attic insulation | im4snow | Insulation | 3 | 09-30-2008 03:02 PM |
| Go to Page... |
