Outdoor Recepticles?

sk071077

If I want to have outdoor recepticles added at my house can I just branch off the interior recepticle on the other side of the wall and install gfi's? Also are those bubble covers mandatory now?

I appreciate any info...

Thanks

Magnettica

Yes and yes.

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480sparky

If your area enforces the 2008 NEC, they also need to be weather resistant.

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Magnettica

The in-use cover needs to be weather resistant now?

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480sparky

Yes, as well as the receps. 406.8(B)(1).

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Static Design

Install a gfci and a clear bubble cover/box.

K2

Your not supposed to come off the small appliance/kitchen circuits, bathroom circuits, or laundry. I got busted last week for comming through the wall from a dinning room outlet which was feed from the kitchen/small appliance. I'd probably come off these circuits if it was not being inspected.

Magnettica

Thanks for the code reference.

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AtlanticWBConst

Hire an electrician, he'll know what to do.

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sk071077

thanks...

thom

You don't tell us where you are, but in my state we are limited to a max of 10 outlets (openings) on a circuit, so you would need to determine.

You may not extend off a kitchen, dining room, laundry room, or bathroom circuits. We use a dedicated single receptacle circuit for the furnace, which could not be extended.

If your state has adopted the 2008 NEC you would need to insure the circuit is a minimum #12 wire and you would need to insure it was an AFCI circuit. Though AFCI is not needed outside, because you are modifying an existing circuit you would need to insure the entire circuit meets current code (at least in my jurisdiction).

K2

I'm going to say the dining room is ok if it doesn't come off the small appliance circuits? I'm not trying to correct, just trying to learn. I have a test comming up on this stuff..

walkerj

The dining room outlets are a part of the SABC's, whether on one of the kitchen circuits or by itself.

480sparky

New one on me. Where's it say that?

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mdshunk

Huh?

Magnettica

Funny how these threads spin out of control when all the OP guy wants to do is add a lousy receptacle so he can plug in a radio while sippin' a few cold ones..

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thom

I loaned the book to my son just last week so I couldn't look that up. The 12AWG is a state code.


(2) Section 210.19 Conductors - Minimum ampacity and size. See this section of the NEC and add the following to subsection (A) Branch circuits not more than 600 volts. (1) General: see this section of the NEC and add: conductors for branch circuits shall be sized to prevent excessive voltage drop. Conductors of 15 ampere 120V branch circuits supplying general-purpose receptacle outlets shall be not less than 12 AWG.


We also deal with max openings per circuit

210.11 (A) Number of branch circuits. See this section of the NEC and add: In dwelling occupancies, circuits for general purpose receptacles shall be limited to a maximum of ten (10)current consuming outlets. Single and duplex receptacle outlets are considered to be one current consuming outlet. Exception: Circuits serving only lighting loads may be calculated per article 220 of the national electrical code.



Don't the rest of you guys deal with significant additional state codes? In addition to our state codes we get a complete book of utility codes (from the poco).

480sparky

Whew! Glad I don't have someone invested in copper writing my codes!


Do split duplexes count as one or two?


How would you count this?



1, 2 or 3 outlets?


How 'bout :


1, 2, 3, or 4 outlets?

Or this:



1 or 3?

I shudder to think about track lighting.

Nope. We only have one. 210.8 is deleted from the '08 and replaced with the '05 language.

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thom

well, sometimes that simple change is not so simple. At least where I live, whatever we modify must meet current codes. If I add a single opening, the panel and everything down line to the opening must meet current codes. I don't need to upgrade the circuits I don't modify and I can run them into the new panel but I cannot modify anything that doesn't meet current codes.

Either you have way easier codes and inspection processes than we do or you just ignore them.

thom

Sparky

We could not add to or modify a circuit that contained receptacles like those shown since they don't meet current code.

The lighting fixture would count as a single opening since it has a single connection point. Except for bathrooms (which I do as an independent circuit) I run my lighting on separate circuits and do load calculations. Of course this can get hinkey on track lights where someone may add more later.