New Circut Penetration Question

Gus Dering

I would like to see if we could change the culture just a little around here.

First time posters don't always know how to frame a question to appeal to the regulars and they seem to not fill out a good profile right away either. That does not mean they all need to be beat up for making the initial mistakes. I will hold out hope that we can find out who we are dealing with and give them a chance to show their qualified for our help.

I may not have all my bases covered with that paragraph but I think you guys get the idea.

If I could come in here and ask how to turn a 90 into a wall with conduit without getting blasted then why can't we at least give this OP the benefit of the doubt before we shrug him off as a hack?

Why can't we believe him that he has a couple decades of experience under his belt?

I'm open to hearing rebuttals.

I'm not singling anyone out here. I only want this type of thread to make a shift to the civil side. We all would benefit from it.

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rselectric1

Gus, your intentions are great.

You've been around this forum a heck of a lot longer than me. Just to add my 2 cents, I think the OP asked a legitimate question and got some real good advice between the jabs.

I think that most of us are more than willing to help with our main area of expertise. But depending on the level of skill required for a proposed task, many guys (including myself) would honestly rather see an expert bring it to fruition for our fellow posters/brothers in construction, than have a fellow poster follow the verbal instructions provided here with the potential of bad results. Most of the time we dont have all the details.

In THIS case, it was a pretty easy question involving asthetics and the LB connection was recommended in the majority. So he got good advice.

Just like on a jobsite, you have to sort through the various personalities and glean information from the guys that make the most sense. The controversial posts tend to add to the fun provided by this forum.

Gus, I'm glad you seem to be taking your position seriously. Keep it up!

Ron

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bwalley

This is contractor talk, not DIY.

Why is it OK for a an unlicensed contractor to ask for DIY information but not a homeowner?

If this site is open for DIY type of questions why just allow the unlicensed contractors to ask them?

Before I told the guy to hire a licensed contractor I verified that a license was required for ALL electrical work in his state.

If this guy knew what he was doing he wouldn't need to ask a simple question like this, he is contracting without a license in regards to electrical work.

He also made a thread asking what was needed to submit plans for this job, if he was licensed as a contractor with 20+ years experience, shouldn't he know the answer?

Yes I do get upset when unlicensed people are doing work a license is required for, no I am not jealous this guy is doing electrical work without a license, he is in Arizona, I am in Florida, so he isn't taking work from me or anyone I know.

skyhook

I see you're not learning yet. In that case I agree. Get an Electrician and stay out of the electrical forum.

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Speedy Petey

Really??? I suspect this was from people who simply did not like the answers and replies posted.
In my humble opinion as a moderator of one of Nathan's other sites this has been a very civil and rather professional discussion.
The only anger or heated replies were a few spots in a couple of Tin's posts. Even those were very mild.

You have to remember, this is a site full of contractors. You can not expect this please to have the demeanor of a mellow coffee shop all the time.



See above.

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MALCO.New.York

Smells like Censorship...................Even if self-applied, it is still CENSORSHIP!

Just one more of our Inalienable Rights go out the door. And why? For fear of others judging our statements!

Pure HORSE-****!

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Inner10

Gus I agree with your above post, the thread got pretty far off topic but it wasn't a train wreck in CT terms.

My feelings are pretty simple...if you don't have anything constructive to add then just don't post...its as simple as that instead of asking him 3 times if he's unlicenced/hack/uninsured etc. Just ignore the thread.

480Sparky's response was good advice and he managed to say it without adding attacks or bragging about how many licences he has how how his dad could beatup your dad.

Tinstaafl

My keyboard doesn't do anger.

Agreed; it's certainly been a civil enough, though circuitous, exchange. I too was surprised to see that someone hit the red button.

Yes, Malco, self-censorship is one of the lubricants for the wheels of society. Most of us begin to learn that around the age of 4 or 5.

Bubbles

Just a thought. Personally, I wouldn't mind taking a test to belong to this site. Maybe like a way easier modified version of the masters test. Something alot of folks on here could pass without even looking at the codebook but not toooo hard for some folks who havent studied in a while. It would at least make you work to get to belong to the site. I'm sure this won't happen but I wouldnt be opposed to it if other people agree. I agree with the previous to keep it more for the qualified electricians instead of just handing out free advice.

Gus Dering

Ok Bwalley,
Your views and opinions are valid. This is not the diy site and we have been working hard to send those threads over there that warrant it. We even have been working on closing threads where the OP is clearly in over his head.
I don't think we are going to police this place to find out who is licensed for any particular project they are asking about though. If we are I have not been told.
I think the best thing to do when these things come up is to report the thread and state your reason there. The moderators will deal with it without a bunch of panties getting bunched up.


Thanks for your insight. I agree that this thread is not a monumental disaster like some of the classics.

I did feel it was a good opportunity to have the conversation about what is and is not good posting behavior. Thats about all.

Really Malco? Come on
I have all kinds of new buttons to censor posts. Not one was used here. No one was even PM'ed as a warning. Not one post was edited or deleted. Censorship would have to involve at least one of those.

This is a conversation Malco, you know the difference.

Thanks for you support.

I care about the quality of this site very much and I will do what ever I can to help keep it from becoming that runaway train that we all have seen. So I make my presence known and bring up the subject of civility to get things calmed down. Fairly simple plan from a simpleton of a guy.

Guys, report a post or thread that you think is a diy thing rather than confront them yourself. Simple

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Inner10

Thats a good idea for a site that isn't so diverse.

Personally I would probably pass the electrical test, but I'm not an electricial. I would fail the plumbing HVAC and the carpentry test would that mean I couldn't access that part of the forum?

I like your intentions Bubbles but personally if I had to write a test to be a part of this forum I woundn't be a member since I'm pretty lazy when it comes to that kind of stuff (not that it would be so terrible if I wern't here).

Craft-man

As the OP I would Like to make something VERY clear that really has been overlooked

I was not asking if I could drop the 20Amp circut or what wire gauge to use, I ask a 1000 Pardons for not being clear. My question was the termination from outside to inside.

I know how to create a new circut, thats not the question. Please read the OP again.

I don't like the look of conduit running on the outside of the a residence looks are terrible, but because of cost and lack of attic space to make the run, and being on the same wall !
also the fact the service is located 60' away in the back of a house with some bushes in the way to hide alot of the conduit I choose to do this.

I wanted to use a 20amp circut since because I enjoy overkill, I guess I could get away with the 15Amp but I woulld still run 12Gauge for the draw factor over the 60' distance. Again I am straying from what my REAL question was.... The TRANSITION from the conduit running along a STUCCO wall and TREMINATING that to go inside.

On to defending myself to all you out there:
I decided to go get my GC licence since I was Shade-Tree-ing alot of work and I thought it was Tacky to not have a license, So on Aug. 2008 just about 1 year and a few months ago I took my required tests and passed them in the top 90% missing just a few of the some 400+ questions. If we all remember right this was about the time the Economy-bottom dropped out from under us all. Getting a little nervous from sitting on my hands for 2 months and no work, and wasting alot of my Capitol on the stupid internet contractor referral sites that went nowhere.(you can scan my early posts from that time I asked about those referral sites).
I was asked by a friend that had been financially abused by thier estimator to help them out with thier commercial estimating. What Great timing... I jumped at the chance to make a weekly pay-cheque, and still have the opportunity to work on getting my own business off the ground in a Crappy economy. I still estimate for them, and from time to time get small jobs.
Yes.. in the year or so I have not had alot of real good jobs in what I really would like to be doing. (contracting) and no I have not submitted many permits, but I am on the right track... I got my licence, get plans drawn up, and get subs to do work I can't do.
I am doing this real BASIC remodel job, new tub, tile, cabs, paint, toilet, on a 15K budget, I read up on the Gilbert, AZ. website which is in it's own very confusing. It reads that jobs over 10K needs to have plans drawn up by a licenced architect.. which in my mind is stupid for the small job I was
doing.
I took BWALLY's awesome advice and called (THANKS MAN) and they said no issue I can draw up my own simple plan and submit.

Now that you all know me (probably too well) I will end this book.

Craft-man

BWALLY,

I don't want to get off on the wrong foot with you on these boards, and not here to make enemies, just friends.
I can put money on it that we are probably similar creatures. You are probably very good at what you do and would never knowingly cheat someone,or do shoddy work.
Like me you are utterly sickened by hacks and cheats, and you get frustrated by people doing 45 in the fast lane on a posted 55 MPH road, but like some of the responses from others on this string, you need to remember what all our mothers told us. If you cannot say something nice, don't say anything at all. Don't make comments/posts that bring ire on others, it's just not kewl. I am to blame for doing this from time to time, and I must kick myself and remind myself to relax and let people be people, most of the time they will bring it upon themselves, and their own actions will define their justice. This action is most apparent in the political arena.
I understand this is not a perfect world (far from it), but why should we facilitate the broken relationships in this world? I'm sure whom ever created this site didn't want it to become a place of repugnant comments, rather a place that like minded, career goal oriented contractors; that can share ideas, tricks-of-the-trades to others, to progress ourselves, and prevent knowlege from slipping away, and being lost from the next generation of Craftsmen/Craftwomen.
I would like to apologize for calling you a Troll, but please be aware I was taken back from the pressure cast on me for asking a simple question.

MALCO.New.York

Granted.

And apology given!


Now spell my GD name correctly!!!!


MALCO


Thanks Gus!

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