New Circut Penetration Question

Speedy Petey

I get this quite a bit.
I give them my quote and I get "Ooooo...I didn't figure that much."
How many times does this have to happen before they get a clue and start allowing more?
I personally think it is intentional to try and chisel the subs down so their bottom line goes up.

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Craft-man

I am a licensed GC in the Great State of AZ for 1 1/2 years. Arizona is not a state that will hand out a license to any clown. I have 20years of construction experience, I have run aprox. dozen new circuit drops in my 20 years without any help. I feel most any monkey with two hands and a half-a-brain can make a new circuit run, but in the case of running EMT on the exterior of a stucco sided residence it's a first, that is because I do think it looks ugly, but because it is easier and in an area that no one will see.
I am asking on these forums is because I feel there are many here that are experienced and knowledgeable to give me their point of view.
I appreciate you telling me to get a Licensed Electrician, to those that do post on these board, they probably should get one. its GREAT advice!
but to sit your fat ass in front of your CRT and play Troll is just exposing yourself to everyone here to exactly what kind of human you are... a TROLL. In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
I read and sometimes post on these boards because I feel it is the same as going to a friend orgroup of professionals and asking them.
As far as this project goes my clients are VERY good friends of mine that TRUST my judgment and skills to finish the job in a safe and professional manner. and because they are good friends my budget is tight and to drop $300-600 on someone to do something I can do eats into my budget.
Times are tough I am working two jobs (estimating for another company and trying to pick up work under my GC license.)
I REALLY APPRIECIATE the others that offered their ideas without making crappy remarks. Also if you knew what happens when you put a saw in a electricians hands and ask them to make a hole in a wall, most of the time that’s what you get a hole in a wall, but the hole is made too large or has been made without the consideration of how it will be fixed; and who is to say the licensed electrician who will do the work will make the penetration into the stucco correctly.

I will get a few quotes from licensed Electricians.... because I really loved 480sparky's comment !

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That's my suggestion......... at least it makes your problem the electricians' problem.

rselectric1

Whatever 480 Sparky says is good enough for me.
But the LB connection gets my vote. It can be hidden, or at least blend in. You defininately need a means to make a sharp 90 degree turn. Just dont make any terminations in it.

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Tinstaafl

I just can't resist chiming in on this. Personal attack? Maybe not. But most certainly unnecessary, if not unwarranted.

While I don't know that I would agree with Craft-man that Bwalley is a troll per se, it certainly seems that he spends much more time worrying about whether other posters are as fully licensed as him--regardless of where they are--than actually getting into the spirit of information exchange in a public forum.

That goes for a few others around here as well, though usually to a lesser extent. Guys, there is just no need for such vigilante police action. It's just plain ugly and unpleasant. If I was that jealous of someone encroaching upon my hard-earned knowledge and license, I wouldn't even bother hanging out in a place like this.

It's one thing to recommend hiring a specialist after due consideration of all the factors. It's another thing altogether to begin the conversation with a challenge of someone's qualifications.

Speedy Petey

I can tell you one thing with 100% certainty. This has NOTHING to do with jealousy. I find that concept rather silly.

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bwalley

If the guy knew what he was doing he wouldn't have to ask about something as simple as running a new circuit, that was the 1st clue he didn't know what he was doing.

Another clue was he was asking what he needed to do on another thread about getting plans submitted, if he actually has been a GC for as long as he claims, shouldn't he already know this information?

The problem with forums like this is anyone can claim to be a licensed contractor. yet when they ask stupid or basic questions it shows they are either HO's, handymen or wannabe contractors.

Some forums like Hvac-talk require proof of licensing to allow you into the professional areas, plumberstalk or plumberzone will falt out bitch slap people for not being a plumber if you post there, I don't post much there since I haven't had my plumbing license activated yet.

Tinstaafl

As do I. I think I have a pretty good read on where you're coming from, and for the most part I respect that. But when the day comes that I see you challenging posters' legitimate questions based upon whether the OP is licensed or not... Nope, sorry; that just doesn't float.

bwalley

Yes he should check the local building code and he will see that electrical work has to be done by Licensed electricians, not some guy who learned how to do it by asking questions on the internet.

Would you have an unlicensed Doctor who had to ask questions about a basic procedure give medical care to you or a member of your family?

How about an unlicensed veterinarian, would you let him spay your dog?

Tinstaafl

Or, just maybe, they have limited internet communication skills. Or just happen to have hit the one stupid hole in their knowledgebase that would seem to negate the 20-30 years of other experience they have under their belts.

Or maybe they're not licensed because they don't need to be licensed in their area. What's so flippin' hard for you to understand about that?

If I dare to venture outside of my comfort zone and do a job I've never done before, would you rather that I just bull my way through it without asking advice from anyone? Or just maybe, couldn't it be a good thing that I try to do some homework first, so that I don't screw my customer or put him in danger?

Bottom line, this predilection of yours for challenging one's licensing before all else is... well, it just annoys me. Sorry, but that's the honest truth.

bwalley

In his area, it is required to be licensed to do electrical work, I checked on it before I gave him the advice to hire a licensed electrician.

I haven't worked as an electrician in over 22 years, yet I know how to do what he wants to do and I don't have an electrical license.

Also if you read his other thread he is asking what is needed to get a permit for this job as far as what is required for plans, if he is a licensed GC with 20 years experience, shouldn't he know this already?

Tinstaafl

Why? I really doubt you're an AHJ in this instance.

It's really none of your flippin' business! If you don't want to help him, then don't. But if you have nothing better to do than challenge people's credentials or lack of them, I have to question your motives in being here.

Static Design

If you are the OP wants a friend then get a dog, you can always hit the log out button if you don't like being here.

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bwalley

I never claimed to be the AHJ, according to the AHJ in Arizona, it is required to have an electrical license in Arizona to do electrical work.

My motives are to try and protect the name of Honest Licensed contractors from getting a bad name when a guy does work that he isn't licensed for.

When unlicensed contractors do work and botch it, the news doesn't mention they were unlicensed, they just say contractor screwed up a job and they get lumped in with the licensed contractors.

Speedy Petey

Under certain circumstance it CERTAINLY DOES float. At least on this site.

A) Is the poster showing a good portion knowledge of the job they are doing?

B) Is the poster doing the job for him/her self or for a customer for pay?

C) And if B is true is he/she licensed (if applicable) and INSURED for the work he/she is doing?????




WHY would he need to BE the AHJ??? This stuff is not that hard to check anymore with the wonders of the interweb.

I also question your motives for defending them. I think this is the site you are looking for then: WWW.diychatroom.com

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Tinstaafl

True enough. Gives you that self-righteous glow, dunnit?

Now, what do we do about the licensed test-passers who go out and do hack work anyway?

Okay guys, got my jabs in and I'm good for a while. Until I once again feel the need to play Don "Reasonability" Quixote tilting at self-righteous windmills.

Bubbles

Hummm

Here's a dilemma. Which one would you rather have do electric work in your mom's house if she lived 500 miles away? Which one would you tell her to pick? Seriously

A. Young guy in mid 20's with large company. He wears shoe covers, has photo i.d., badge, and really white teeth with a huge ad in phonebook. He also smiles alot and makes alot of noises with his meter to show bad things going on in your house. Fully Insured, Bonded, and Licensed (well, at least someone in company is but maybe not him. ) Most expensive

B. Old timer with beat up truck, general liability, lived in neighborhood all his life, angie's list A+ member, missing a few teeth, mumbles alot but does very high quality electric work. Not licensed. Least Expensive

rselectric1

I think I would pick someone in between, but with a license.

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Gus Dering

So, hi boys.

Are we playing nice in the sand box?

This thread has been reported as a train wreck. I scanned through and see the points of view that are in play.

I would like to know something.

I am a licensed GC in California where I am legal to do electric work that is incidental to the job at hand. Basically I can do my own electric work but can't go around town bidding sparky stuff.

If I took a job installing a hot tub for a good friend and came here for advise would I get pummeled into hiring an electrician or would you guys help me out?

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rselectric1

I think YOU would get good advice.

As a remodeler, I sometimes have to dabble in other trades where the task at hand isn't large enough to bring in my regular sub for that area. I would hope I could be cut a break by the guys here if I had a legitimate question.

Luckily, I have good subs who I can call and they will answer any questions I have and sometimes even come out to help "pro-bono" because they know I am good for future jobs.

I think the answer to your question is yes, you and I would get good advice unless your post count were under 10

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Inner10

Much like Craftman I would assume you would get your ass handed to you by a few and get helped out by the rest.