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Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
All i have is my NEC handbook, and im looking for the exact article to find where it states i can use for example a 12/3, and branch off with a 12/2 from one box to supply another circuit, like in a kitchen, i use a 12/3 from the panel, and use one for the plug circuit, and one for the dishwasher (just an example). NOW i dont need to use a 2 pole breaker, unless its terminated on the same yoke, like a duplex outlet, correct. I just need the article number, and cant find it in this little handbook, and dont have my code book on me. thanks guys
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)Quote:
(A) General. Branch circuits recognized by this article shall be permitted as multiwire circuits. A multiwire circuit shall be permitted to be considered as multiple circuits. All conductors of a multiwire branch circuit shall originate from the same panelboard or similar distribution equip- ment. FPN: A 3-phase, 4-wire, wye-connected power system used to supply power to nonlinear loads may necessitate that the power system design allow for the possibility of high harmonic currents on the neutral conductor. (B) Disconnecting Means. Each multiwire branch circuit shall be provided with a means that will simultaneously disconnect all ungrounded conductors at the point where the branch circuit originates. (C) Line-to-Neutral Loads. Multiwire branch circuits shall supply only line-to-neutral loads. Exception No. 1: A multiwire branch circuit that supplies only one utilization equipment. Exception No. 2: Where all ungrounded conductors of the multiwire branch circuit are opened simultaneously by the branch-circuit overcurrent device. FPN: See 300.13(B) for continuity of grounded conductor on multiwire circuits. (D) Grouping. The ungrounded and grounded conductors of each multiwire branch circuit shall be grouped by wire ties or similar means in at least one location within the panelboard or other point of origination. Exception: The requirement for grouping shall not apply if the circuit enters from a cable or raceway unique to the circuit that makes the grouping obvious.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
so thats saying, no matter what, i need to use a 2 pole breaker on any multi wire branch circuit?
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)Quote:
*although I do have the license
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
CNC, if you are under NEC 2005 or earlier then you are correct in your first post.
The 2008 NEC added the requirement for all MWBCs to originate from a two (or three) pole breaker.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)Quote:
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
I believe you can.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
For split plugs, the breakers have to be tie-barred.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
I actually prefer to say:
Where a multiwire branch circuit supplies more than one device or equipment on the same yoke, a means shall be provided to disconnect simultaneously all ungrounded conductors supplying those devices or equipment at the point where the branch circuit originates.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
Yes, with a proper handle tie. NOT a nail or screw or a piece of #10 solid.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
I've seen that a few times.
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)Quote:
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Re: Multiwire Branch Circuit Code (sharing Neutral)
Thanks guys, i was right with my dispute with a fellow electrician, i didn't have my code book, with the article number, but he kept insisting it didnt matter, they always had to be tied together. O well, i need to start to get familiar with the 2008 changes!
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