Inground Pool Light Circuit

louis bugaj

After read NEC 680-21 & -22, I need some explanation. For inground pool light circuit, does it has to be decicated "GFCI Breaker circuit" or it can be a circuit with GFCI control.
I'm new in business. I have see both practices in the field, which one is correct.
Thank you in advace for your in put.

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Louis Bugaj

POOLMANinCT

that's what we pay you guys for.. just kidding...
when in doubt always segment. my e1 runs his separate dedicate gfci line w. transformer..
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don't drill your bonding lug to wet niche...lol yes I've seen that ...leaky leaky...

been sellling a fair amount of fiber optic lite lately... its a snap to install no voltage in pool and great upsell.
btw anybody else have pool owners who dump about 50k plus in pool @ landscape then cheap out on electrical service ?? can't even plug a radio in outside ?? always thought if an e1 offered a luxury wire package hed make a mint in yards.. phone stereo lighting plugs..

mommas don't let your babie grow up to be poolboys... weve been signing that all summer lol
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Speedy Petey

First off, 680.21&22 are not relavant to pool lights. 680.22 covers area lighting around and near pools.

What you want is 680.23, this covers underwater lights. It says GFI protection must be "...in the branch circuit...".
In fact, I know of no place in the code that requires a GFI "breaker". All the code talks about is protection.

If you are unlcear about issues like this I would definitely educate yourself in these areas before you attemt to do any wiring of this nature. This is no place to learn as you go, so to speak.

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louis bugaj

Thanks Speedy. NEC-680.23-A-5. GFVI Protection..GFCI Protection. See, I' learning.

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d.janvrin

Pool Light ???
I Live in NH , Here "and should be everywhere" Pool Light Has to be Bonded And have Dedicated gfci Receptical not within 10' of surface water also (MUST be able to UNPLUG LIGHT) for servicing or replacing bulb etc.

mdshunk

How in the hell do you propose to plug in a wet niche fixture? They are not designed that way.

If New Hampshire has some bastard code like that, why do you believe that we should all observe it? Please describe the increased safety from being able to unplug the wet niche fixture. The NEC already requires that the metal part of the wet niche fixture be bonded and that it be served by GFCI protection of some sort. This cord and plug arrangement that you speak of is just plain weird, and offers no increased margin of safety.

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Speedy Petey

I totally agree with Marc. What do you base this on and how do plug in a wet niche light, and keep it code?
Don't get me wrong, I love NH, but if this IS so then obviously NH has butchered the NEC in this area.

All underwater lights with metal parts must be bonded so that is a non-issue.

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d.janvrin

Here's why And You may Want to think about it .if switch is off and light is removed UNDERWATER wire has been chaffed or nicked or has hot Netural reversed etc or maybe bulb is blown and switch is on?? would you feel safer to reach into that pool grab that light knowing it is unplugged completely or the switch is off (Maybe) or the GFCI is faulty.Im Not talking about a Pro doing this Im Talking about your typacal DIYer changing his blown light under water with power ON !!!!!

Speedy Petey

Trip the GFI and turn off the breaker. Common sense.

This is anohter reason DIYer should NOT be wiring pools.

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d.janvrin

[QUOTE=mdshunk;151831]How in the hell do you propose to plug in a wet niche fixture? They are not designed that way.

A wet Niche has a 1" plastic conduit if you run the conduit 90 deg elbow and raise that 2' above pool water level with connections for light power supply . install a GFCI rec. install a plug on light cord and plug into receptacle.when theres a problem with light or bulb,you unplug light power cord . the light is now powerless.I really feel more comfortable with a HO servicing that bulb. would anybody else???????
What if the bulb is blown, power is on, wire is chaffed, HO pulls out light reaching into water wire shorts when hits water or HO grabs bare chaffed wires .POWER IS ON!!!

d.janvrin

GFI is Bad Breaker Is On Bulb Is Bad. HO Is Fried
Should Of Unpluged It ?????

mdshunk

No such accidents have ever been documented.

Speedy Petey

d.janvrin, your argument is completely baseless.
Why is the WHOLE rest of the country ok with the NEC standard (or equiv.), but NH is not?

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mdshunk

I'd also like to know where you find a cord cap listed for use on the type TC cable that's on those wet niche lights? Also, type TC cable is not sunlight resistant. How do you overcome that?

mickeyco

There is a sunlight resistant TC cable.

http://www.okonite.com/Product_Catal...3/sheet17.html

mdshunk

Yeah, your google works. That is special tray cable, and is not what comes on wet niche fixtures.

POOLMANinCT

like I said this is what we pay e1 s for..
but plug on a wet nitch set up.. never seen it and
don't see the point.

fixture/lamp ... jbox(trusty wire nuts)... transformer....box in house...(maybe switch in house for owner to control pool light from indoors.) have to agree w. hunk on this one

HO should not be servicing pool lights & e1 please leave enough cord in the niche so I can lift lamp out of the water
ty
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JamesNLA

It's topics like this, that I enjoy reading. More importantly pictures
like this is just stress relieving comedy for me. Some people fear dropping the soap in the shower, others might fear dropping the corded drill in the pool. MAybe it's just me, but if this guy actually killed himself by doing what he is doing, I would still think that is totally funny. But hay, atleast he has eye protection on!!


This picture is from Joe Tedesco: http://www.joetedesco.org/photo.html
i did not get his permission to post it here, however it is posted in the "photos" section

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