IC/Non IC Convertable

dkillianjr

Hey guys, I am cutting in a couple of 5" recessed lights. I have always used Halo products and either bought IC or Non IC depending on my application, but unfortunatly my electrical supplier closed and a new company moved in. All they carry is Lightolier brand. All they had in stock was the 1004ICR convertable remodeler housing. Forgive my ignorance, but I have never used a convertable before. So let me get this strait, all I do is take the sticker off the housing and use the max recomended bulb for the IC application and its an IC can. Thats it?


Thanks guys, Dave

mdshunk

Yes, all you do to "convert" the fixture is peel the sticker off, but it's a bit deeper than that.

The IC or non-IC rating has to do with the heat that is generated by the fixture. All modern cans (except for one's intended strictly for pouring in concrete decks) have a thermal overload element that will shut them down when they get too hot. The difference in the sticker's for the IC or Non-IC application is the max lamp wattage for a given trim. If you look at both stickers, side-by-side, you'll notice that each trim part number will have max lamp wattages and lamp types listed next to it. You'll notice that they're different for the IC or non-IC application. This keeps the fixture from heating up in an IC application and shutting off and frustrating the occupant. Most of your better brands of fixtures now are "convertible".

Magnettica

Not much to add after that.

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dkillianjr

Thanks, MD Thats what I thought. Its funny one of the last jobs I was at I was working doing some trim and every time I came in from outside a different can light was out. I figured it was the sensors, so I looked at the bulbs, they were 90watt bulbs . The guy said he had no idea, so for a little extra I put in some 65w for him, which was the max bulb. Md, do you have a Hite supply near you? They just opened up near me, I thought they are a PA company?


Thanks, Dave

dkillianjr

Thankyou for your time though Magnettica

excellencee

Hite Co is based out of Altoona, PA. I've shopped at Hite from Erie, through Pittsburgh and as far east as Harrisburg.

mdshunk

Hite is around, but I don't shop there. No special reason, save for the fact that there are 3 others right in my town alone, and one has their east coast distribution warehouse right here, so everything is in stock.

cmec

md
How about the 8 buck special from scott its just an ugly hunk of sheet metal Hites in my town but they never have what I need when I need it they will get it tomorrow,scott will deliver it tomorrow.

dkillianjr

I used to always go to Allied Electric supply if I needed something, I am not sure how big of a company they are I thought they are PA too. Its a shame they closed. Hite always had a warehouse about a mile from me, but then they opened up a counter a little while back, so far so good. Every time I am in there, there is always fresh donuts and coffee There is a Scott close to me too, I just never seem to be in that part of town. cmec, What Scott do you go to? Is there one towards Butler?

Dave

mdshunk

I've never seen a Scott Electric store in my life, but I can get next day delivery from them. They have really good wire prices most days. They often run loss leader specials that are good to keep an eye out for. One recent one was 120V w/battery Kidde smokes for 8 or 9 bucks.

dkillianjr

I will have to check that out MD. I haven't been there in so long, heck I'm not even sure if my account is still active.


Dave

cmec

Scott delivers to me daily I dont go there too often. I see a salesman 3 maybee 4 times a year unless I call him. Sam Sott is at least 80 he is the only owner with no relitives just employees ,with 4 stores they are about the 10 largest electrical distributor in the usa and thats after graybar wesco and the other national chains thats a company with 1 man in charge. scotts compeditors allways badmouth them probably because they cant compete or service their customers like scott can.

Hite says we will order it and have it tommorow at least where I live they, but they do have a lot of stores.

Thats the way allied operated before hagamyer bought them out and shut a bunch of them down.

mdshunk

The Scott salesman for my territory is a really good guy, and he earns his pay. He'll drive around looking for electrician trucks on jobsites or at lunch places and hunt you down to talk to you about today's specials or whatever. It's nice if he finds you someplace at lunch time, because he normally springs for the bill.

irdefector

Who exactly rates the light fixtures. I have found many different variations of what IC ratings are. The NEC code book states 1/2" from combustible material, while other place I've read don't even mention combustible materials just 3" to 4" from insulation. That dimension also varies. I thought this would be for light fixtures without thermal protection. Anyway, can someone help me find a code or standard by which IC ratings apply.

Thanks

Magnettica

You bet.

Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated.

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mdshunk

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