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Old 06-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #21
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Yeah I guess I did but that wasn't my point. If you talk to Southwire technical the conductors in NM-b are solid thhn/thwn-2 without the markings. So IMO there is no safety failure/issue to put them in conduit with the sheath removed. You just can't prove that to an inspector. Personally I just never do it other than protective sleeves and I never strip it.
An inspector only has to say, "Show me where they are Southwire conductors." You will be unable to prove it. You'll get red tagged every time if the inspector is on his game.

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Old 06-26-2009, 09:45 PM   #22
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Not me. Why would you accuse me of failing one of your jobs?

In your case here, PVC out to the island into a box (THHN/ THWN), and separate armored cables to each of your devices or appliances.
Dude I apoligize, i was only recalling that someone posted the code which stated you could run NM in PVC. Not that it was ok to run underground.
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No! Stripped Romex is not THWN.
Yeah I was thinking about what I posted after I posted, going I bet that won't pass for this exact reason. I guess i'll go back to doing it the right way.
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An inspector only has to say, "Show me where they are Southwire conductors." You will be unable to prove it. You'll get red tagged every time if the inspector is on his game.
Yes, no argument there. I hope I didn't come across that it was ok to do. It is a violation as you previously posted.
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We have used romex in kitchen island PVC for EVER and just started to get called on it.

I use UF now on jobs where I think I might get called.

It's stupid but true. No NM in the slab. It's not too bad for the 20A circuits but when the cooktop or oven go in the island, we have to add JB's and change to thwn for the larger wire. More splices = more possible failure points.
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You may have failed for several reasons. One, NM cable is not listed for a damp or wet location. In this case you need to run UF cable, which is Underground Feeder. Two, it depends what kind of PVC tubing you used. Did you use electrical grade which is gray in color, or did you use plumbing grade which is white? The only other things left are conduit fill and conduit size. What size conduit did you use and did it meet the requirements on the fill? Otherwise it may just be the inspector was being strick on you. Good luck to you.
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Is there a limit on the number of receptacles connected to the load side of a GFCI?
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Is there a limit on the number of receptacles connected to the load side of a GFCI?
Not per the NEC. There might be according to the specific manufacturer, although I haven't seen such a limit for years.
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Hey i'm confused a little, it's not direct burial, it's in pvc conduit, in a slab, in the kitchen.

I know the correct way, I had just read a thread about it being ok to run NM in PVC, I just missed the part about the underground, plus I see it done in every house we remodel.

I'll just put in a female pvc connector and romex connector and strip the wire.
I used 1 1/4 conduit, 3 -12s and 1 -14 nm.

I've never seen NM being use underground may be for low voltage purposes application. I always use THHN or THWN when going under. Good luck
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You may have failed for several reasons. One, NM cable is not listed for a damp or wet location. In this case you need to run UF cable, which is Underground Feeder. Two, it depends what kind of PVC tubing you used. Did you use electrical grade which is gray in color, or did you use plumbing grade which is white? The only other things left are conduit fill and conduit size. What size conduit did you use and did it meet the requirements on the fill? Otherwise it may just be the inspector was being strick on you. Good luck to you.

What's UF - underground feeder? thanks
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Yeah I guess I did but that wasn't my point. If you talk to Southwire technical the conductors in NM-b are solid thhn/thwn-2 without the markings. So IMO there is no safety failure/issue to put them in conduit with the sheath removed. You just can't prove that to an inspector. Personally I just never do it other than protective sleeves and I never strip it.
I have always wanted to see that in writing, but no one has ever produced it.
Also, it could be true for Southwire, but what about other brands?
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Is there a limit on the number of receptacles connected to the load side of a GFCI?

It is advisable to stick with the receptacle manufacturers recommendations. Some equipment leaks a few mA into the ground, such as a computer through filter capacitors. If you have too many outlets downstream and you plug in enough of them, the sum of leakage can be enough to cause a nuisance trip.
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What's UF - underground feeder? thanks
If you have read my post, I stated UF is underground feeder. What I didn't post was it MAY be listed for wet/damp locations and also some are UV rated against sunlight to a certain degree such as 90 degree C or 75, depending on the outer sheathing.
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If you have read my post, I stated UF is underground feeder. What I didn't post was it MAY be listed for wet/damp locations and also some are UV rated against sunlight to a certain degree such as 90 degree C or 75, depending on the outer sheathing.
You know an awful lot for being just a helper. I know "A" guys that don't know about temperature ratings or what UF stands for. You're gonna be a helluva electrician.
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