GFI Memory Test

RobertWilber

Do any of you esteemed ladies and gentlemen remember the timing of GFI receptacle changes? [so I can be lazy...]
We were putting them in in the early 70's and covering the outside recp from the bath GFI off a lighting circuit.
I have someone with a house built in 1999 that has a GFI in the garage which knocks out their bathroom recps and exterior recp. Seems to me that this isn't kosher [and wasn't then].
Anyone remember change dates? or know where I can find them?
thanks

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mdshunk

1971 Receptacles within 15 feet of pool walls
1971 All equipment used with storable swimming pools
1973 All outdoor receptacles
1974 Construction Sites
1975 Bathrooms, 120-volt pool lights, and fountain equipment
1978 Garages, spas, and hydro-massage tubs
1978 Outdoor receptacles above 6feet 6inches grade access exempted
1984 Replacement of non-grounding receptacles with no grounding conductor allowed
1984 Pool cover motors
1984 Distance of GFCI protection extended to 20 feet from pool walls
1987 Unfinished basements
1987 Kitchen countertop receptacles within 6 feet of sink
1987 Boathouses
1990 Crawlspaces (with exception for sump pumps or other dedicated equip.)
1993 Wet bar countertops within 6 feet of sink
1993 Any receptacle replaced in an area presently requiring GFCI
1996 All kitchen counters – not just those within 6 feet of sink
1996 All exterior receptacles except dedicated de-icing tape receptacle
1996 Unfinished accessory buildings at or below grade
1999 Exemption for dedicated equipment in crawlspace removed

Under the '99, that bathroom circuit was only allowed to serve other stuff if it was another bathroom receptacle.

RobertWilber

amazing MD
did you pull that out of your head, or was it written down someplace you could find it?
[actually, I expected it would be you who would know...]
If the house was built using '96 [approval lead times and all], the bath outlets were still supposed to be separate, though, right? [I can't find my 96 and 99]

... and, thanks

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Bubbles

Couldnt tell you how many times I've reset GFI's and turned 1/2 the house back on. It's an easy $100. Arc Faults are even better with all Ceiling Fans and old clocks and such people are buying. Keep Adding all you want NEC!!!

thom

Years ago on a remodel I tripped an exterior receptacle downline of a gfi recept. Found the recept an hour later, behind the refrigerator.

mdshunk

I have several such lists of the history of certain requirements. I keep updating them with little tidbits as I learn them or come across them. The lists are just a copy and paste away. Also, you might want to treat yourself to the book "Electrical Inspection of Existing Dwellings", by Douglas Hansen, et al. It's a fantastic book with lots of similar historical information.

JohnJ0906

Looks like the requirement for the 20 amp circuit for bath receptacles started in '99. (210-11(c)93)) Couldn't find it in the '96, and that seems to match my memory as well.

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mdshunk

That's the way it looks to me too. If the place Robert is talking about was wired under the '96, it looks like he's got himself a legal install. {RETRACTED, see below}

WAIT... I'm still reading...
The 1996 was the first edition for the dedicated circuit for the bath receptacle, and it wasn't even allowed to do the lights either. The exception was added in the '99 that permitted the bath receptacle circuit to do the lights in the bath only as long as it didn't leave the bathroom. Looks like that wasn't legal under the '96 either.

JohnJ0906

Where did you find it in the '96? I couldn't find it?

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JohnJ0906

Never mind, they hid it in plain sight - again! 210-52 (d)

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MechanicalDVR

Usually the best place.

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mdshunk

It's hard enough keeping the code straight, but every now and again you need to reference older versions or try to remember how it was back whenever to see if something was even proper for the time it was done. Most of the time I just tell people that this doesn't really meet code nowadays, and give them the opportunity to have me "fix" it.

Bkessler

I remember in 1997 the first house where I had to change the bath plug from the garage/outdoor/basement plug circuit to the dedicated 20 to pass the inspection,... It was in downtown pontiac michigan in the winter. I went back after we were redtagged to fix it in the evening after dark in the hood.