Electricians Vs Drywallers!

Magnettica

http://www.thewireguard.com/Main.Aspx

Have any of you used these yet? I've seen them advertising in Electrical Contractor Products magazine for awhile now and just ordered a free sample. The question is, do sheetrockers really hate them?

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mdshunk

Well, the NEC 110.12 (workmanship) does give NECA 1 (National Electrical Installation Standards) as an example text for workmanship standards.

NECA 1, Article 6, Section F states:

MSSI

I actually recently came up with a design thats snaps in and out very easily with no screws..I have been considering a patent on the thing.
I was wondering if people would actually use them. I could probably make them cheap enough that they could be disposable but reusable...Maybe like a box of 50 for $10.. Single gang- use 1 , 4 gang use 4 etc.. and 2 different sizes for steel boxes vs plastic.....What cha think??

No matter how well I tuck my wires in "they" hit em, every job, without fail...It must be an art

Dustball

Looks like the singles are $1/ea and doubles are $1.75/ea when ordering from their site. That seems like a reasonable price to me when you consider the time you could save.

MSSI

Until you show up for the finish work and there gone.

mdshunk

Cut wires are a change order. I'm not going to go to any special effort to prevent people from doing somthing they shouldn't do in the first place. Particularly when their damage creates more cash for me.

JohnJ0906

I like the concept, but I would think they could just remove them.

Tamper proof 6/32s maybe? More $ though

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All replies based on the 2008 NEC

GregS

I use Tuck Tape over vac inlets and exterior wall boxes.. Pokes out easily post drywall.

Would that function for electrical too? Or too gummy?

mdshunk

Is "Tuck Tape" that foil duct tape with about 1/8" thick really gummy adhesive on the back? I just don't have it straight in my head what "tuck tape" is.

daveselectric

All of the sheet rock crews in California are illegals to begin with and could care less about the gringo electrician. If you're having your wires cut by their router, leave the boxes hot. They get the hint real quick.

Mud Master

HEY NOW!!..WATCH IT!!

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woodmagman

If the wires are folded back into the box as they should be, there will be no problem. From time to time the router is set to deep and the wires get cut. Filling the boxes with mud is just as much a problem for the taper as for the electrictian. Suggesting this to a GC to be added to their cost would be a losing proposition. If it comes down to covering the boxes with a cover of some sort, its time to fire one of two trades........

GregS

It's the stuff used to join plastic vapour barrier seems together.

It's usually red, thin and very sticky. Plasticy, not foil.


You may call it something different down there.

mdshunk

That's what you'd think, but it happens anyhow. I don't know how, or why, but it does. I've had wires nicked with the RotoZip where they enter the box... that's 2-7/8" back from the surface of the wall. Go figure.

When a finisher cleans off a drag by scraping off his load of mud in one of the electrical boxes, that's just stupidity. Why not a door jamb? Why not shake that knife load of mud onto the floor? Why is it so tempting to scrape it off on an electrical box? I dunno, but I know how I clean out the boxes... 16 oz hammer. If the wall finish happens to get screwed up when the big chunk of mud pops out... too bad, too sad. Bad attitude, some might say. Well, I've had it up to "here", I'll tell you.

woodmagman

Then the taper needs a sparken to. A friendly conversation with pipe bender in hand would make a point. Or just fire his sloppy arrss!

mdshunk

Yeah, that's not how things work in real life. Most often, the electrician will have never seen a soul during the whole job, except maybe the GC. Sometimes, we overlap with the plumber and tin knockers a little bit. It is never clear, often times, who the other tradesmen were, even if you did have a penchant to confront them. Commercial work, maybe so. In a house, the Sheetrock guys are just anonymous tradesmen in the mist you've never seen.

Magnettica

I don't know if I'd go that far. In fact I know I wouldn't. But clearly something needs to be done to stop morons from ruining our skilled labor.

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Magnettica

For receptacle boxes, I use the handle end of a hammer to push the conductors to the back of the box, and as far back as possible.

For switches (2G, 3G, 4G,) I wrap the EGC around the conductors and place them back, and towards the middle of the box.

But even this, they still find a way to 'nick' the conductors.

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GreenGuy

I have been using Wireguards since they came out in 2004. They are great! I won't leave a job before they are installed. They have saved me so much time in box clean out and wire repair that they paid for themseves over and over. I have the same ones I purchased in 2004. I haven't had any stolen, and after the first few jobs the sheetrockers found it easier to find the outside of the box when they hit the wireguard. In 2004 they were more expensive then they are now. They average around a buck each now. I have about five residential kits and some of the commercial style. So I am a firm believer in this product and would recommend them to any electrician wanting to save time and money on thier jobs.

mdshunk

I don't understand. There's a contradiction in there someplace. If they've saved you from doing wire repairs, they havn't saved you any money. They've actually cost you money. Wire repairs are not done free of charge. They are marked up and billed like any ordinary electrical work. They've cheated you out of an opportunity to make money.