Electrical Permit

Tom M

I have a situation and want an opinion on what is the best way to handle it. I pulled a permit for installing new window and door headers. The first thing the town asked was what am I doing with the electric on the door way to the deck. I said I would amend the permit later. Well Im getting framing inspection tomorrow and havent done anything about the electric. I have an electrician who is MIA FOR 2 WEEKS so Im hung out to dry here. The feed is coming from the cieling but is going to be short at new switch location. I am adding 2 fixtures, one on each side of the door and need to replace the GFI. So I think I can use the UL plastic siding light block to house the feeder so I can relay it to the switch then back to itself and again across the header to the other side of the door. I will extend from the switch to the new GFI below in another siding UL block. Is this acceptable? Thier is a soffit above the header so I can float romex up there, but I dont know if it has to be armored or not. Are the boxes okay by themselves or do I need mounted housings? The boxes will have plastic grommets inside. Can I have the Homeowner sign off? Never did this for electric before. Thank you in advance.

mdshunk

I'd open the phone book, and get a service electrician out there ASAP. If you have a "Mr. Sparky" or "Mr. Electric" in the phone book, they can usually send a guy withing a couple hours.

thom

Around here you will fail a framing inspection without a green tag from the electrical inspector. That's the first thing he looks for. Won't even look at the framing without that tag.

RobertWilber

you is in Joisey [I is a boy frum joisey city originally].
Dey's'll hang ya for dune it yersef ...

I go along with md

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Tom M

I was hoping for an approval from you guys for a rather simple set up like this. The homeowner can do his own electric and this isnt a real risky thing but I will probaly have to call someone. I have never heard of any local service guys before, all my fellow contractor buddies alike have people and all are too backed up. We'll do we we have to.

Magnettica

$7500.00!!

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Tom M

Thats exactly how a GC blows a budget. The regular guy for anything goes MIA and you have to call some random guy for service and he throws wild numbers around cause your in need.

mdshunk

That's called *business*.

Magnettica

It's a conspiracy that all us electricans know about and benefit nicely from!

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mahlere

good, fast or cheap.....pick any two...can't have all three

Tom M

So figuiring a small task like this in an estimate I put 300.00 bucks on this maybe 400. This is a generous rate for a small task like this that will take an electrician 1 hour tops on the way to his other work. Now the guy goes MIA and I call several people and no one can come oput for less than 600, This is justified. I should lose money with no mark-up putting a simple task on someone elses plate. My new goal this summer is to have 2 of every sub, especially electric,plumbing and drywall this way I can drop a line on both at the same time and when I get screwed around I can play the GC conspiracy of sorry I got someone else.

fridaymean

That is business as well. But business works better when both people feel they are NOT getting screwed.

It most likely would take more than an hour anyway. Nothing ever only takes an hour.

Capt2

I know you're pissed but this is the last aproach you want. Personally if I get the sense that someone is calling me, but will grab the first guy they can get for the job, then I don't take them seriously at all.
On the other hand if it's someone I know that is only calling me, then I will jump thru hoops to get out ASAP. As a general rule loyalty and relationships pay in the long run. IMHO, that's business--no offense MD.

Tom M

Well today I got a call from an electrician who had gotten my number from another contractor for some services he needs. During our discussion on the work he would like me to handle for him I brought up my recent need this week and asked him how much his time is worth. He says 2 guys probably a half day $500.00. Five hundred a half day holy crap well I say yeah thats what I figuired I charge over a thousand a day for my services. Do you think I will be helping him on his project?

Magnettica

$1,000 a day to me sounds like this EC firm has their act together. You'll be able to price jobs in the future accordingly and sleep well at night knowing that you hired a reputable electrician. The EC's that don't charge alot of money usually have the worst electricians working for them and even more problems arise because of it.

Good luck!

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747

I think that sounds high but i really don't know. I think MD charges 65.00 dollars to ring a door bell.

jbwhite

If there were 100.00 in material, this is only 50.00/mh

How much do you charge out your workmen for?

mahlere

i've learned several things in my time in this trade....

1) nothing ever takes only 1 hr....

2) if employees are doing it, double the time you think it will take you...and you might be close

3) GC's never, ever, ever, should figure pricing for any trade, unless they have a close working relationship with that sub...

4) i heard this saying once, "i'm here to make money, if you get a building built along the way, goody for you"

mdshunk

That's beautiful. Brings a little lump to my throat. (anyone have a tissue?)

Tom M

Magnettica, If my memory serves me well your still working for someone else. You will see things very different as time passes on your own if you make that leap. For everyone else this guy is a small business operation like myself. If your an electrician, plumber, drywaller, tiler, painter you name it and you operate in a home office with one or two trucks and a garage you have the same overhead and expenses or at least close. Im all for making money and getting it by sales but a thousand dollars he can go f- off. Nothing takes an hour for sure but you definitely dont go around pricing jobs based like this. Even if you have a large operation you have to be more time efficient to be competitive. I would expect this number to be the starting daily price of an excavator who is putting an expensive piece of equipment on the job not a 2 man crew. I guarantee he has a problem paying a carpenter 1k for a days pay. Many electricians who do commercial see different money than the residential and should adjust themselves.