Elec Sub Does This Guy Not Want To Work With Me

Murphy

Got a quote from an electric sub today for a basement finish I am doing. 18 receptacles, 15 recessed in drop ceiling, 3 fans, one bath vent light, one bath line GFCI stole off the bath directly above, one vanity light, one new 20 circuit to a treadmill.
Receptacle circuit and the lighting circuit are already run there.

His price was 4680. Is this about right it seems awful high to me. Just need another opinion before I pull the trigger. He comes highly recommended and I though we were on good terms after speaking to him.
Murph

mdshunk

I don't know much about your market area, but it doesn't strike me as unreasonably high. High, yes, in my market area, but not unreasonably so. In your market area, which I know is more expensive, maybe it's okay. If you've never worked with him before, you're paying a little bit of a penalty for that fact alone.

Same Old

Sounds like $3500 to me if it is all easily accessible.

Is he bidding per opening or T&M?

skyhook

You need at least 2 more circuits. Typically no more than 10 on a circuit.

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Murphy

Thanks. Do I really need two more circuits? He has to pull the permit but I am sure those idiots wont say anything if it doesn't have enough juice.
Murph

Murphy

Seems like he is bidding per opening, and yes it is all extremely easily accessible.

mdshunk

False.

A.W.Davis

I am wondering if the electrician is going to get away with pulling power from the upstairs bathroom GFI, doesnt code state that you cant share a bathroom gfi circuit with other living spaces? Just curious

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Same Old

Sounds like opening to me too.
I like to provide and install the cans myself. I found that it takes just as long to screw a can into the ceiling as it does to locate and mark them in most situations. But I'm kind of a perfectionist when it comes to lighting.
Electricians seem to hate cans if their unit prices for them are any indication. They never know how to bid if If I attach them to the joists.
So I always do t&m on remods. It works out much, much cheaper than unit (on remods, big additions and new is different).
It's also an incentive to make things easy for the Electrician as it's saving you money to make his job easier by having all your crap done and out of his way.

But that's just my preference. Electricians I've worked with have liked it because every job is clearly laid out and there's no ambiguity on light placements.

Murphy

Thanks Md. I was prepared for 3500, got another unknown guy coming tomorrow. So at least I will have a price comparison. Murph

mdshunk

Yes, but that bath GFCI rec that he's getting power from upstairs is to do a bath that's being added in the basement. A bathroom receptacle circuit can serve other bathroom receptacles, as long as it only does receptacles in the bathrooms.

Murphy

I think we are okay as long as we are pulling from another bathroom GFCI. But I am no expert. I will talk to my guy tomorrow about TandM maybe that will save me some money. Basement is already bid out with a number in mind but living is learning.

mdshunk

What happened to your regular electrician?

Murphy

Went back to Louisiana. Man you type fast MD.

skyhook

Maybe in Pa.

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In a single or multi-family dwelling, the NEC does not specify the amount of electrical outlets permitted on any 15 amp branch circuit.

For load calculations in other than single or multi-family dwelings, the load for each duplex receptacle shall be 180 VA.

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mdshunk

Maybe not anywhere that uses the NEC witout amendments. Canada is a different story. The NEC does not limit the number of receptacles on a circuit.

GregS

Once again Mr Hunk is right..

Ontario Electric Code 23rd Edition:

Rule 12-3000:

"A maximum of 12 outlets may be connected to a circuit. This may consist of 12 light outlets or 12 plug outlets, or any combination of light and plug outlets mixed as long as their total number does not exceed 12."

Murphy

Got another quote today at about half of the others guys price I thought he was high. Friend of a friend maybe more realistic pricing from him. Thanks for the help guys.

mdshunk

You sound like a scumbag homeowner. Sorry to learn that price is your main concern. Maybe the other guy was right on, and this second guy is too cheap? What's "realistic" mean, when you're talking about pricing anyhow? Never mind. Don't respond. I've already decided that you're acting like a dirtbag.