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Old 11-18-2006, 02:22 PM   #21
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Re: Dedicated Circuits Or Up For Local Interpretation?

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Can a nice moderating lurking in the area snip off the posts after #9? The intelligence quotient fell about 60 points on this thread after that.
Actually it went up about 120 from what I can see.

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Old 11-18-2006, 02:27 PM   #22
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Re: Dedicated Circuits Or Up For Local Interpretation?

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The term "Grounded Neutral" does not appear in the NEC.
It certainly does, but not in the definitions. Which is what I meant by "neutral" not being there.
Neither are in the definitions but both are referred to.

I somewhat agree with Mike. I think more that the atmosphere has gotten a whole lot darker around here the past few weeks.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:31 PM   #23
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Actually it went up about 120 from what I can see.
Matter of opinion, maybe you are using the thread titled "connections to the back of a switch" as your bench mark? That one there is a real nice showcase for electricians as a professional trade group.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:45 PM   #24
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Matter of opinion, maybe you are using the thread titled "connections to the back of a switch" as your bench mark? That one there is a real nice showcase for electricians as a professional trade group.
Ah, But you spoke of IQ. Not a trade group or professionals.
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If people can't reset a GFI, they shouldn't be living indoors. Imagine the Neanderthal that notices the receptacle is no longer working and "spends years running extension cords into the bathroom" (I paraphrase).

And it's not $15 extra, it's $3,120 extra. That's 2 Extra GFIs per house, 2 houses per week, 52 weeks a year. When people talk about the cost of things, they forget the fact that we are not planning to retire after we finish this house, we are running a business that runs year round.

Also, a certain percentage of GFIs fail. By installing 3 times as many GFIs as required, you've increased the chances of a failure by triple!!!!! The snappy answer is not always the right one.

Are you a ham?
Not active. I almost forgot what you were asking.

We're not required to have the right answer all the time. I'm generally happy with 1 in 10. I think we're allowed 15 wrong answers, (in a row), before getting booted off. Some guys really push the limit.
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Old 11-18-2006, 03:13 PM   #26
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K2: I still operate on the local 2 meter boxes, but amateur radio aint what it used to be.
Hard to complete with cell phones. I remember when I was the only one i knew who could make a phone call from the truck. I helped maintain a repeater on Pikes Peak in the 70's. That was a pretty good spot for a repeater.
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Old 11-18-2006, 03:39 PM   #27
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Also, a certain percentage of GFIs fail. By installing 3 times as many GFIs as required, you've increased the chances of a failure by triple!!!!! The snappy answer is not always the right one.
When one fails and has 3 bathrooms out for several days/weeks you increase your chances the HO or property manager is going to be PO'd if he finds out it didn't have to be that way, for 15 bucks.
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I don't understand what you mean by "darker". Your penchant for ambiguity apparently extends beyond the electrical code. When you say "darker", are you referring to the insecure feeling you get when someone doesn't accept your word as gospel? Does agreeing with Mike make you feel a little better?
When I say darker I mean less friendly than it has been for years. Some of the newer members here have a penchant for intentionally stirring trouble, bad mouthing other members, and generally causing ill feelings.



I don't need you or anybody to take my word as gospel either. If I am right, I am right. If I am wrong I will humbly admit it.
I have seen your past posts and you sir are NOT someone I feel the need to agree with.
We are light years apart in the ways of business. You are mr. big time, big shot electrical contractor who will do anything for a buck. And the almighty buck is all that counts.
And I am a small contractor with character.
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When I say darker I mean less friendly than it has been for years. Some of the newer members here have a penchant for intentionally stirring trouble, bad mouthing other members, and generally causing ill feelings.
I agree which is why you will find that the posts have been removed.

I'm not editing things anymore. If people want to attack others in their posts then the whole post will be removed.
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When I say darker I mean less friendly than it has been for years. Some of the newer members here have a penchant for intentionally stirring trouble, bad mouthing other members, and generally causing ill feelings.
I imagine I'm part of that problem, but se la vi.

I was just reading that entire 'backstabbing' post and wanted to quote on something plan said because it had me laughing my a55 off, but it was removed while reading.

Anyway about the unskilled illegal labor, now yall see where I'm coming from (organized/unorganized labor).

Oh well, can't say it's a bad thing, it's actually a grand idea having dozens of guys readily available whenever you need them to come dig fenceposts or whatnot for cheap to help you get a project a done, hell all our roots were 'illegals' at some point, isn't that what the statue of liberty is all about?

Sorry to change the subject (whatever it was in here)
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Actually the skilled/unskilled to organized/unorganized labor comparison is apples to oranges.
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