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220/221 · 06-28-2009, 01:12 PM

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Should know better then to ask a legit question on this site.

I told you exactly where the juice was coming from but you dismissed me and insisted the neutral was "hot".

If you would have put that 145 IQ to work and followed my simple explanation descibing the circuit path you would have realized that neutrals are always "hot" when there is a load on the circuit.

When the neutral's return path is broken (open), the current finds another path (if available). In this case it was thru the bootlegged ground into the facia metal.

It aint rocket science.

willworkforbeer · 06-28-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

I told you exactly where the juice was coming from but you dismissed me and insisted the neutral was "hot".

If you would have put that 145 IQ to work and followed my simple explanation descibing the circuit path you would have realized that neutrals are always "hot" when there is a load on the circuit.

When the neutral's return path is broken (open), the current finds another path (if available). In this case it was thru the bootlegged ground into the facia metal.

It aint rocket science.

Let me splain this one more time:

When light switch was on, hot was hot, neutral was hot

When light switch was off, hot was dead, neutral was still hot

There was no load on circuit because I had removed light, no other known load on circuit, nothing else was affected when I unhooked feed from receptacle where it was powered from, oddly there was no neutral feed off of this receptacle, only one wire, but removing the one wire killed the hot neutral also. It was old first generation (for this house) wiring. The 14/2 coming out of the soffit was second generation update.
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A liscensed electrician had upgraded to a new main panel and incorporated the existing two generations of wiring in his new stuff. At about that time is when the homeowner noticed the security light quit working.

Once again, the HO didnt care about having the security light and I did not investigate further, I went back to work on the garage roof.

220/221 · 06-28-2009, 04:42 PM

First, I am glad you made it safe for the homeowner.

Second, it sounds like knob and tube wiring.

Third, you can't tell hot from neutral without testing, with a meter, to ground. Sounds like a combination of problems including polarity.

willworkforbeer · 06-28-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

Third, you can't tell hot from neutral without testing, with a meter, to ground. Sounds like a combination of problems including polarity.

Yes I can, I got shocked by the neutral which was grounded to the fascia, no big deal been shocked a hundred times.

And the light switch switched on and off the hot wire.

I dont know why you electricians think I'm lying or too fvcking stupid to know the difference between hot and neutral and the difference betwwen neutral and ground. Jesus fvcking christ.

I'm done.

220/221 · 06-28-2009, 11:24 PM

You seem to think that you can't get shocked off a neutral.

The same power that flows thru the hot, flows the the neutral. It feels exactly the same. You won't get shocked from a properly connected neutral but if the path back is open, the electrons will take any path they can find. The human body is conductive.

I don't think you're stupid, just inexperienced and kind of a prick.

Relax and have another beer. It's the internet.

ampman · 06-30-2009, 06:53 PM

wwfb you say you have no meter, you call the electricians here names you have no clue whats wrong at this house or you would not be asking stick to your trade--- what is that by the way

willworkforbeer · 06-30-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ampman

wwfb you say you have no meter, you call the electricians here names you have no clue whats wrong at this house or you would not be asking stick to your trade--- what is that by the way

Nobody asked me to stick to my trade, he just didnt want the light. I'm working on four of his houses. My trade? Anything that requires brain cell activity, your trade doesnt. I can build a house from the dirt up and do every trade though. Can you? No because youre a dumbazz ****head who needs clear directions from point A to point B, you have no imagination and no creativity. You reached for the brass ring and it was being an electrician.

Magnettica · 06-30-2009, 09:38 PM

What kind of schooling do you have to back up your expertise in building homes?

How many small appliance circuits are required by code for a kitchen?

What size conductor do I need if an air conditioning condensing unit has an MCA of 24 amps?

Circuit breaker size for an 11 Kw oven-range?

Highest paid construction trades:

1) Plumbers
2) Electricians
3) H.V.A.C.
4) Everyone else

You were saying?

tomstruble · 06-30-2009, 10:45 PM

oh please with the highest paid b.s

220/221 · 06-30-2009, 11:08 PM

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Jesus fvcking christ.

I'm done.

Somehow I knew you'd be back.

Stick to your handyman stuff Jethro

Magnettica · 07-01-2009, 12:36 PM

And make sure when you hang those gutters you allow for some pitch so the water can flow.

willworkforbeer · 07-01-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnettica

What kind of schooling do you have to back up your expertise in building homes?

How many small appliance circuits are required by code for a kitchen?

What size conductor do I need if an air conditioning condensing unit has an MCA of 24 amps?

Circuit breaker size for an 11 Kw oven-range?

Highest paid construction trades:

1) Plumbers
2) Electricians
3) H.V.A.C.
4) Everyone else

You were saying?

I'm not a particular trade, way beyond that and no schooling. I prefer experience. I make decent money, sometimes very good money. I was making $17.50hr 20+ years ago as an exotic car mechanic (self trained), get the idea?

I have nothing against electricians, just no respect for one-sided people who have no depth and just know one or two things. They are liscensed because of all the hacks out there, not because its particularly hard or technical. It doesnt take a bunch of school to know what youre doing (unless youre an idiot), some basic stuff and a code book and away you go. I was friends with a large electrical contractor for years, he was much more than an electrician though, that was just how he made his money.

You keep trying to save your face and it isnt working, I'm guessing youre one of those guys who doesnt know much more then just what they do. You couldnt be very bright or you'd just leave me the hell alone.

If I need information I look it up.

Magnettica · 07-01-2009, 06:44 PM

You have an IQ of 145 and you have to ask if a piece of energized sheet metal will effect an energy bill. That's all anyone with a brain really needs to know about you and how intelligent you are. Stick to the wood and glue and quit trying to impress everyone with how gifted you are to the construction industry.

Oh... you're an exotic car mechanic now too?

willworkforbeer · 07-01-2009, 06:49 PM

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Oh... you're an exotic car mechanic now too?

Was, 20+ years ago. That was a valid question, since old stone house and aluminum trim very likely with bare metal to stone. You dont know the answer do you? And youre a liscensed electrician. Shame.

willworkforbeer · 07-01-2009, 07:06 PM

Come on magnet boy tell me, if you had hot running to an earth ground could it cause a drain? You dont know do you?

ampman · 07-01-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by willworkforbeer

Was, 20+ years ago. That was a valid question, since old stone house and aluminum trim very likely with bare metal to stone. You dont know the answer do you? And youre a liscensed electrician. Shame.

how many eoxtic cars were around 20 + years ago , its funny how you tell us to pack up and go away when you dont have a leg to stand on

crazyboy · 07-01-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by willworkforbeer

I'm not a particular trade, way beyond that and no schooling. I prefer experience. I make decent money, sometimes very good money. I was making $17.50hr 20+ years ago as an exotic car mechanic (self trained), get the idea?

I have nothing against electricians, just no respect for one-sided people who have no depth and just know one or two things. They are liscensed because of all the hacks out there, not because its particularly hard or technical. It doesnt take a bunch of school to know what youre doing (unless youre an idiot), some basic stuff and a code book and away you go. I was friends with a large electrical contractor for years, he was much more than an electrician though, that was just how he made his money.

You keep trying to save your face and it isnt working, I'm guessing youre one of those guys who doesnt know much more then just what they do. You couldnt be very bright or you'd just leave me the hell alone.

If I need information I look it up.

If you think all it takes is a code book and some basic stuff, then why don't you pick up the book and figure it out since you claim to know the basics.

220/221 · 07-01-2009, 08:53 PM

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Come on magnet boy tell me, if you had hot running to an earth ground could it cause a drain?

I'm no magnet boy but, of course it would.

That's not necessarily what you described though.

I make 120K

Wait....I used to make 120k. Work sucks ass right now and I could end up working out of my car trunk with my 5 gallon bucket o tools hanging sheet metal

Magnettica · 07-01-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by willworkforbeer

Come on magnet boy tell me, if you had hot running to an earth ground could it cause a drain? You dont know do you?

Listen, boy... Yes, electrons would be leaking all over the place, like a hydrant.

120 V.A.C. to ground, not solidly grounded, but to an earth ground with a resistance of 25 Ω would give us an amperage of 4.8 amps. Now if you happened to be standing near where this leakage was occurring and you happened to come into contact with something that was solidly grounded like a guy wire on a utility pole, then yes you would feel the brunt of those 4.8 amps.

Go get the paint brush.

Magnettica · 07-01-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

I'm no magnet boy but, of course it would.

That's not necessarily what you described though.

I make 120K

Wait....I used to make 120k. Work sucks ass right now and I could end up working out of my car trunk with my 5 gallon bucket o tools hanging sheet metal

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's describing because he's not an electrician. Then when he doesn't get the answer he's looking for he resorts to insults and degrading electrical professionals. That's why I told him to stick to the wood glue.

wwfb, please go out to the truck and get me a Chicago grip. Then I'm gonna need you to sweep up after me while I sit down with the homeowner and write up the bill.