Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-30-2009, 02:09 AM   #21
Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc.
 
JumboJack's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lakewood CA.
Posts: 3,661

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by handyman99 View Post
It's funny because I don't want to paid doing electrical. I hate doing electrical. I specialize in plumbing. I've been shocked enough times. It's strange because every electrical job I get, I never want to accept the job. However, my customer like me because I'm very honest. The funny thing is most of them don't like electrician because they are not honest. An example is like the guy that hired me to change the the outlets, he first tried to hire an electrician. However, the electrician insisted that the whole house had to be rewired. When he told the electrician he didn't want the whole house rewired, the electrician told him that he was risking electrical fire and tried to scare him. The electrician still charged him $75.00 for a service charge and he didn't even do anything.

That's not the point anyway. So is it true.... since nobody can confirm that black is really to brass. That's what I though. Next time I change outlets, I'm just going to make whatever looks easier. I know that ground needs to stay with ground. That's obvious. However, the hot and neutral probably doesn't matter. Not unless somebody can really confirm and tell me why it matters.
Electrician are not honest but you are charging someone 25.00 an outlet and you don't even know where to hook the wires to?


__________________
in texas with framing and cornish people will do it for 3.00 a foot. What do yall think about that? Just laber
Last edited by JumboJack; 08-30-2009 at 02:11 AM.
JumboJack is offline  
Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Old 08-30-2009, 02:11 AM   #22
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Wire them backwards, for your own peace of mind. Leviton doesn't really have a reason for color coding the screws. It's just a marketing ploy to sell you on "their" electricians.
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:17 AM   #23
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Jack, that doesn't work anymore. All newly installled outlets have to be tamper-proof. Even garage-door opener receptacles, which would seem to be very out of reach of children.
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:18 AM   #24
I builds'em
 
Winchester's Avatar
 
Trade: Renovations & Decks
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Posts: 3,522

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mccarty.74 View Post
I just ran a stove today on 14. It didn't trip so what in the hell are you talking about? Elitist snob!
Sure, if it was a gas stove
Winchester is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:21 AM   #25
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

No, 220. Are you really telling me I can't do that?
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:22 AM   #26
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

It was 14/3. No good?
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:23 AM   #27
Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc.
 
JumboJack's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lakewood CA.
Posts: 3,661

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mccarty.74 View Post
Jack, that doesn't work anymore. All newly installled outlets have to be tamper-proof. Even garage-door opener receptacles, which would seem to be very out of reach of children.
I bet his house does not have them...Not to mention that it is 2008 NEC code....
__________________
in texas with framing and cornish people will do it for 3.00 a foot. What do yall think about that? Just laber
Last edited by JumboJack; 08-30-2009 at 02:28 AM.
JumboJack is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:25 AM   #28
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Yeah but he'll follow code. He has to.
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 07:53 AM   #29
paper hanger,painter
 
chris n's Avatar
 
Trade: wallpaper hanger,painter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Hagerstown MD
Posts: 904
Send a message via Yahoo to chris n

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Oh, and if you flip asphalt shingles over, they'll last 100 years.

Now there is one I have not heard before!
chris n is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:15 AM   #30
And I do electrical, too!
 
480sparky's Avatar
 
Trade: DEFENDER OF FREEDOM! ADVOCATE OF LIBERTY!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Iowa
Posts: 5,410

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Handyman99 will follow whatever advice we (or his landlord, or his paperboy, or his barber, or his neighbor, or his dead great-grandmother....) give him that makes him the most money. Or is the easiest to do. He's lazy and greedy, two of the requirements to be a hack.

And if he doesn't get the advice he wants to hear, he'll just ignore us and do it wrong anyway. Hëll, what's the difference to him? He's only in it for the money anyway. What does he care if someone gets shocked, electrocuted, or their house burns down? He's got his money in his pocket.... he won't give a fùck at that point.

Shît, if we tell him it's legal to install a 400a service with #24 bell wire, I'd be the dumbass would do it. And then proudly proclaim he charged $500.

That's the definition of a hack........ make money, safety and codes get thrown out with the bathwater, and 'professional' electricians are just money-grubbing shysters.
__________________
Site : the area or exact plot of ground on which anything is, has been, or is to be located.
Sight : The power or faculty of seeing; perception of objects by use of the eyes; vision.
Cite : To mention in support, proof, or confirmation; refer to as an example.
Last edited by 480sparky; 08-30-2009 at 11:45 AM.
480sparky is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:17 AM   #31
LRG WoodCrafting
 
Leo G's Avatar
 
Trade: Master Sawdust Producer
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut
Posts: 13,230

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

You been sucked in pretty well 480......
__________________
Sawdust Follows Me Everywhere

Quote:
Originally Posted by HusqyPro View Post
Carpenter by day.
Mad scientist by night.
http://lrgwood.com
Custom Cabinets in Hartford County Connecticut
Leo G is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:38 AM   #32
Electrical Contractor
 
stars13bars2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 94

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Mccarty,
Without a local ammendment to the NEC, garage door opener receptacles are not required to be tamper resistant, unless mounted below five and one half feet above the floor.
stars13bars2 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:56 AM   #33
Pro
 
mccarty.74's Avatar
 
Trade: framer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: columbus, OH
Posts: 189

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by stars13bars2 View Post
Mccarty,
Without a local ammendment to the NEC, garage door opener receptacles are not required to be tamper resistant, unless mounted below five and one half feet above the floor.
Just messing with the electricians. Seeing if I can get a rise out of them. So far I've been unsuccessful.
__________________
What would you say...ya do here?
mccarty.74 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 01:40 PM   #34
Electrical Contractor
 
stars13bars2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 94

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

99,
While it is true that even a jackass electrician can hook two wires to something and make it come on, that does not mean that the wire is the correct size or that it is the correct wire for the installation. There are multitudes of things that need to be considered for any installation. You have asked about one of the most basic requirements and when others inform you that you are not qualified to change out the receptacles, you declare that there is no need for the requirements in the first place. What you did could be, and in most places is, illegal. This is usually no big deal until someone is injured or worse and then you won't believe how quickly someone you thought was your friend will have a lawyer that will earn his pay by not being your friend. You will make his job incredibly easy by not knowing the basics about what you are doing for pay.
stars13bars2 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 01:55 PM   #35
Pro
 
DetailHandyman's Avatar
 
Trade: Professional Handyman
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: S.E. PA
Posts: 563

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 480sparky View Post
Next, he'll tell us the paperboy says it's OK to put AWG14 on a 60 amp breaker.

How about if you use two 14s? Then it's like a 7 or something...
__________________
The cat box ain't gonna clean itself.
DetailHandyman is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:05 PM   #36
And I do electrical, too!
 
480sparky's Avatar
 
Trade: DEFENDER OF FREEDOM! ADVOCATE OF LIBERTY!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Iowa
Posts: 5,410

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DetailHandyman View Post
How about if you use two 14s? Then it's like a 7 or something...
No. when you parallel, you invoke the Square Root Rule. So it would be AWG 3.74.
__________________
Site : the area or exact plot of ground on which anything is, has been, or is to be located.
Sight : The power or faculty of seeing; perception of objects by use of the eyes; vision.
Cite : To mention in support, proof, or confirmation; refer to as an example.
480sparky is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:25 PM   #37
Pro
 
DetailHandyman's Avatar
 
Trade: Professional Handyman
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: S.E. PA
Posts: 563

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 480sparky View Post
No. when you parallel, you invoke the Square Root Rule. So it would be AWG 3.74.

Damn it...I'm such a hack....
__________________
The cat box ain't gonna clean itself.
DetailHandyman is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 02:30 PM   #38
wannabe
 
WNYcarpenter's Avatar
 
Trade: carpentry
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Jamestown NY
Posts: 2,213

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

dirtdiggler...........
__________________
"I knew I lost my wallet as soon as I threw my pants over the fence". -'lil jarhead bro when asking for a wire transfer...
WNYcarpenter is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 03:58 PM   #39
Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc.
 
JumboJack's Avatar
 
Trade: GC
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lakewood CA.
Posts: 3,661

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 480sparky View Post
No. when you parallel, you invoke the Square Root Rule. So it would be AWG 3.74.
And that stuff is hard to find..You'll end up running all over town trying to find it.
__________________
in texas with framing and cornish people will do it for 3.00 a foot. What do yall think about that? Just laber
JumboJack is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 04:15 PM   #40
Electrical Contractor
 
stars13bars2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 94

Re: Black To Brass....does It Really Matter?

There is so much more to the Code than most people realize. They hear one part and think they know it all. You can actually protect 14awg copper with a 110 amp breaker and still be 100% Code compliant.

Hint: It has something to do with the asterisk beside the part that says you can use a maximum 15amp breaker on #14 awg copper.
stars13bars2 is offline  
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3


« Previous Thread | Top of Page | What's New | Next Thread »
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
black counter refinish Traditions2 Painting & Finish Work 3 07-29-2009 09:17 PM
driveway black top issue eekie34 Concrete & Paving 8 05-29-2009 03:30 PM
I need a to pour 1/4 yard of black concrete... ruskent Masonry 9 05-25-2009 12:50 PM
Black mold spots under spar urethaned exterior doors...? Ms. Fix-It General Discussion 10 05-06-2009 10:09 AM
Whirlpool tub jets shoot out black crud BACKWOODS Plumbing 10 11-17-2008 07:43 AM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

Privacy Badge
I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
ContractorTalk.com is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At ContractorTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?