Big Screen Part Of Pool

D-pool dude

I have almost completed a project with a big screen incorporated into a raised wall near a swimming pool....it is a smart home and automation is the customers hot spot........here comes the dumb quesstion........is the cable for cable tv low voltage? does anyone know as the local cable company was not very helpful???? or is there none.......I have a seperate raceway for the cable anyway, but was wondering for future use.......thanks guys

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Speedy Petey

How far is this thing from the pool?

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D-pool dude

The Tv is 6' from the Pool, well 6' from water line, the code is 5' from waterline.........the run or length of the cable (not power source) for the tv is 65'......I have installed 1 1/2" condiut ( was just being on the safe side , I know it is overkill and then some) .....It is a smart home and the owner is a tech dude, so every bell, whistle, and even a kazoo or two is on this pool...lol.........I have protected the TV internals with plexi glass type enclosure........

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Speedy Petey

I can find nothing restricting the location of CATV wires with relation to the pool.

Which 5' rule are you talking about? I find none such.
ALL receptacles, other than for a pump motor, must be at leat 10' away.

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D-pool dude

A recepticle , gfci, must be located not closer than 10' , not farther than 20'.......as for a tv or any equip I can be not closer to water than 5', ....j box is 4', unless it is behind raised wall I can be closer....but i will verify with code when I get to work.......Swimming pools are slightly different than a house....My worst nightmares are building for a house electrician who want run and wire it himself, and civil engineers.......I had a civil engineer in the pool measuring and looking at the steel schedule...

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Speedy Petey

There is no such thing as a "house electrician". We are supposed to know about ALL aspects of the trade.

That being said, I know many real good electricians who have very little clue about pools. I've met several who had never done one so they had no interest in knowing the codes for them.

Same goes for pool guys. I have met some who really know their end of the elelctrical. I also have seen many who have very little clue about it.
The NEC is very difficult to read, can be directly contradictory, and can be interpreted many different ways. If you only read one section you can get screwed by a totally different one. I have seen both electricians and pool guys run the #8 solid bond wire all the way back to the panel. This is a very basic easy to understand item, yet I see and hear about it all the time. Same goes for ground rod. The term grounding electrode is NOT even mentioned in Art.680. Yet I hear of them being installed quite often.

I was fortunate to be exposed to very many pool installations very early in my career. Some very elaborate ones to boot. I have also done quite a few over the years and I like to think I have a pretty good grasp or Art. 680 and related sections of the code.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am curious as to what actual code section tells you 5' for the TV equipment and box. This is an area that never did come up for me, which is understandable.
A plasma TV 6' from a pool.
I'll say it again, some people have WAY too much money!



BTW - Don't even get me started on engineers and architects.

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SpaHkee

Not exactly sure about your question but I will tell you this Yes you need to run a seperate raceway for the coax cable for cable tv.The rule of thumb is locate it at least 1' away from power source. In the future you should also be aware that 600v and below is considered to be "low" voltage.
The coax for the tv is a communication wire and shouldnt be in same raceway as power.

wildwood

hey pool dude, you need to send me pictures of this project when it's finished. first of all the guy that said anything under 600v is considered low voltage must be a lineman or an industrial electrician because most residential electricians (which is all you need for this project) never see anything above 240v and maybe once in a blue moon 480v. yes, the coax is considered low voltage and i would run it in a seperate conduit. the reason is that you can create interferance with your coax signal by running it in the same raceway as your ac circuit. this happens when the two conductors are ran parallel to each other, but wouldn't happen if say, at the back of the tv they crossed each other running perpendicular. the higher the load on the circuit the greater the chance for interferance. not much of a load with the tv though. also, the thicker the jacket (undergroud rating) on the romex and the coax the less likely the less likely you are to pick up interference. also, make sure that you leave a tag line in the coax raceway so that when the homeowner wants to pull in a new cable you look the the hero not a zero. a simple piece of twine will do just fine - if you already forgot then reply back and i will tell you two ways to get one in. also, your local building inspector shouldn't be concerned with the coax anyway. good luck. ak