3-way Wiring- Ceiling Fan With Remote For Two-wire Hookup

 
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:13 AM   #1
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3-way Wiring- Ceiling Fan With Remote For Two-wire Hookup


I need a diagram for this if possible. I have a room in which my customer wants to use the remote that came with his hunter fan. He would like to use a 3-way circuit so he can turn the light on from two locations. The ceiling fan i have has a remote control set-up and it only works with the remote setup because the fan has no pull chains to operate the light or fan. the remote set-up is only for a 2- wire installation meaning it only uses a hot and a neutral. so how can i incorporate a 3 way circuit to operate the light and use the remote to dim the light and operate the fan portion. Below is the manual info on the fan.

Wiring the Fan
All wiring must be in accordance with national and local electrical
codes and ANSI/NFPA 70. If you are unfamiliar with wiring, use a
qualified electrician.
6-1. Make sure the power is still off.
6-2. To connect the wires, hold the bare metal leads together and place
a wire nut over them, then twist clockwise until tight. For all these
connections use the wire nuts provided.
CAUTION: Be sure no bare wire or wire strands are visible after
making connections.
6-3. Using a large wire nut, connect the ground wire from the ceiling to
the green ground wire from the ceiling plate and the green ground
wire from the downrod.
6-4. Using the large wire nuts, connect the white wire and the black
wire from the ceiling as follows:
• e white (common) power wire from the ceiling to the white
wire from the receiver (marked on red tag “NEUTRAL IN”)
• e black power wire from the ceiling to the black wire from
the receiver (marked on red tag “LIVE IN”)
6-5. Using the small wire nuts, connect the wires from the fan as
follows:
• e black/white wire from the fan to the red wire from the
receiver (marked on white tag “LIGHT OUT”)
• e black wire from the fan to the black wire from the receiver
(marked on white tag “FAN OUT”)
• e white wire from the fan to the white wire from the receiver
(marked on white tag “COMMON OUT”)
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Do masons usually wire ceiling fans?

Two remotes, same channel.

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If they are wired anything like UK then you would need a 2 way - intermediate - 2 way then of to fan/light.

I dont know your exact terms for them kind of swicthed over here.

If you mean you want a 2 way then ignore the intermediate.



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Just buy another remote & set the program keys the same as the other one.
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As soon as either 3-way switch turns the power off to the fan, the remote will have no power to operate with.
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I think he just wants the remote so that when the guy is in his seat he can turn the lights or fan on or off and when he leaves the room via 1 of 2 or 3 doors he can leave the remote and shut down the fan via a switch. Well thats how im pictureing him using a 2/3 way circuit and thats the way i have always done them. Have 3 in my house here wired eactly like that. If he wanted to be able to override the switches with remote then he would have to have some kind of relay in the circuit wired to the remote sensor to have a perminant live come on when the light siwtch is turned off. Might as well have no switch wired to it if the guy wants to have it fully controlled via a remote.
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........so how can i incorporate a 3 way circuit to operate the light and use the remote to dim the light and operate the fan portion. ......
If this statement is correct, you cannot do what you want to do. As soon as either 3-way switch turns the power off, the remote & fan have to power to operate with.

It's like using the remote control of your TV to turn it on and off because power is always on at the receptacle. Put a switch on the receptacle and turn it off, and the remote cannot turn the TV on.
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I just did this in a home about a month ago with the exception of it being a 4-way. Just install the receiver as normal except do not use the light circuit on the receiver. The light circuit "from switch's" should be wired directly to the lights in the fan. You will be using the receiver/remote for the fan only. So far it has worked fine. The light comes on from the three different locations with the fan off, the fan works with the remote on all speeds with the light off. Obviously they all work properly together.

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I just did this in a home about a month ago with the exception of it being a 4-way. Just install the receiver as normal except do not use the light circuit on the receiver. The light circuit "from switch's" should be wired directly to the lights in the fan. You will be using the receiver/remote for the fan only. So far it has worked fine. The light comes on from the three different locations with the fan off, the fan works with the remote on all speeds with the light off. Obviously they all work properly together.

OP didn't state if the ceiling fan box has 3 wire run to it.
You idea would be fine if it does.

If only two wire, not many options beyond pulling wire or extra remote.

But, I'm glad he explained how to connect the fan to the remote but no details on existing wiring.
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If they are wired anything like UK then you would need a 2 way - intermediate - 2 way then of to fan/light.

I dont know your exact terms for them kind of swicthed over here.
Switch 1 & 3 would be called "three way switches"
Switch 2 would be a "four way switch"
Don't ask why they are called such.
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OP didn't state if the ceiling fan box has 3 wire run to it.
You idea would be fine if it does.
I still maintain it won't work, even with 3 wires going to the fan. One original wire will be for the fan, the other for the light.

If you make the fan wire hot all the time, then you can use that to power the remote and turn the fan on.

But you can only use the three-ways OR the remote. If the 3-ways turn the light off, the remote cannot dim it or turn it off. If the remote turns the light on, the 3-ways cannot turn them off. And even this is assuming there are three wires between the switches and fan. If there's only two, then even this half-baked method will not work.

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..........Don't ask why they are called such.
From an old (ca. 1910) Arrow-Hart catalog, where they're called points instead of ways:

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Switch 1 & 3 would be called "three way switches"
Switch 2 would be a "four way switch"
Don't ask why they are called such.

Cheers for letting me know that. That sure is strange. Never really paid any attention to what they call them over here as i just pick up what looks like it suits my needs. Funny why they call a switch that has only 2 ways to switch a 3 way
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.......... Funny why they call a switch that has only 2 ways to switch a 3 way
Personally, I think it's a throw-back to the old knife switch era. In reality, 3-ways are just single-pole, double-throw switches. And the old SPDT knife switches would basically be 'center off'.

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Personally, I think it's a throw-back to the old knife switch era. In reality, 3-ways are just single-pole, double-throw switches. And the old SPDT knife switches would basically be 'center off'.


Oh i see. I aint looked for one yet but do they do 1 way switches over here?
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Oh i see. I aint looked for one yet but do they do 1 way switches over here?

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Im in the US now. Used to live in UK
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Im in the US now. Used to live in UK
We're goofy on this side of the pond.

We call 1-way switches single-poles, and we drive on the right side of the road.
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We're goofy on this side of the pond.

We call 1-way switches single-poles, and we drive on the right side of the road.

Ohhh i see. Man it's hard getting used to all these terms. Yeah in UK they will be called 1 way single pole and if both L+N is going through the same 1 way switch it will be a 1 way double pole. Crazy how something can change it's description so much compaired to other places. I do love the twist connectors to join cables. We use things called choc blocks and they are a biatch to work with.
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I know what i said will work because i have done it but you also need 3-wire "as said above" at the box to do it. Now the light option on the remote will not work as the light circuit at the receiver will be dis-connected. The lights in the fan would be wired as normal to the switch's just like any other light. The remote and receiver would be for the fan only. There are fans out there "i beleive Harbor Breeze" makes a remote/receiver for fans only but i havent been able to buy one anywhere without buying the fan. If they only have 2-wire at the box then they are SOL without running a new circuit.

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