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Hey gang,
I've been wondering if it's more cost effective in the long run to glue instead of screw the field. ie cost of glue versus labour in finishing screws, and which results in more durable finish(ie. less screw pops, joint problems...).

I've had boarding subies in the past use adhesive and it seems to save finishing time but haven't sat down and done the math.

Thoughts?

What's standard practice in Calgary, Edmonton, and Van?

Thanks,
D'S

Fredrik.E

here in Sweden it gets more popular with glue .since you only screw maximum 10 screws / sheet i gets quicker and they ( manufactuer) say that you save screw cost

groundzero2121

in pittsburgh we glue and screw....2 screws in the field on walls, 3 on the lid

AARC Drywall

We glue and screw..but we only put one screw in the field every 48" just to suck the drywall in. Finishing time is way faster, and now you wont get complaintes for screw pops.

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Anti-wingnut

Due to siesmic concerns, screws or nails are required in many areas

DeanG

Glued and screwed here too (Whitecourt). Way less call backs for screw pops, the only thing is to make sure there is the odd one in the field during installation. Cabinets and chair rails will "blow out" the glued areas if the board is away from the stud at all, when the glue hardens. I've always thought that glueing AND screwing (in the field) kinda defeated the purpose?? (Unless the field ones were removed after the glue sets)How about the old laminated stuff!! Would have been great for call backs (or lack of...). We still hear about the 30 year old houses with NO screw pops, only to find those were double layered. It was actually a great method, though too $$$$$ today.

The worst for us, is when the basement floor gets poured at the boarding stage (winter), and that moisture gets trapped in the walls. We just KNOW those will be the worst. How about summer vs. winter for you guys??

strathd

Glue and screw here too. While working in Mississipi I noticed they just nail. No screws or glue. Told a builder that up North most places glue and screw. He laughed and said why would you do that ? I said do you get many nail pops ? He replied "all the time".

They don't seal concrete either.

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Preacher17

We glue the interior walls only, all outside walls get nails and screwed.....

DeanG

We screw all the perimeters now, but nailed them for years. No noticable difference on the popping end (most of those were in the field anyway), just less problems with "bash" marks in the angles and tops.

Capt-Sheetrock

anybody ever stop to think that the glue only holds the back peice of paper to the stud, and does really nothing for the rock??

may be just me, but I don't glue at all

Muddauber

Do a test sheet when you have some spare time.

Hang a board on the wall using a good line of glue on each stud. Nail or scew the edges, then hit the board over each stud and put 1 screw in any stud that rattles.

Let the glue cure a few days, then go back and try to pull the board off the studs.

Good luck!

DeanG

Sorry, new to posting and editing

DeanG

Sooooo true!!!, Soft, not so bad, but after a couple of weeks... no fun. We like the rattling stud trick too. Wait, that just doesn't sound right. Rattling Stud and Sons, lol

CaseyJones

True, the glue only holds the back of the rock in place, but does so over a large area. With the low pull out strength of gypsum board the screw is only holding a small area also.
We use adhesive with a minimal amount of screws.

Capt-Sheetrock

I've been at this madness since 1974, and I believe the reason people like glue is because they hate to spot screws. I personally refuse to glue, ever read the disclaimers on the tube?? If you know how to hang, the screws will hold it fine, however, if your using a dewalt screwgun, you may to glue, sho nuff.

Darren@Partners

Why the hate on DeWalt guns?

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Cole82

They come out of adjustment and drive the screw in too deep.

CaseyJones

Capt Sheet Rock said .
Captain, Since you have been hanging since the 70's then I am sure you have more experience hanging gypsum board than I do so I am sure you are right.
My experience has been that it is difficult to find experienced rockers who really care (well maybe not as hard to find now with this economy as it used to be). So I kinda like the belt and suspenders approach of screw and glue.
Probably just paranoia on my part.
Thanks for the input.


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Ancient Rocker

No disrespect Captain but I've been gluing and screwing drywall since 1971 and if you ever had to tear off a glued and screwed ceiling or wall , you would NEVER use just screws again. The best results are achieved by gluing approximately 40-42" of each sheet.On ceilings we put two field screws in every joist/truss.On walls we put one field screw in every stud.Around here (Illinois), it is Miracle Glue, and it exceeds it,s claims.Try it ,you will get glue on you occasionally but everyone will love the results.

Inner10

Around here its mostly screw/nail, only a few remodelers I've met glue. I don't mount the stuff but I mount stuff to the board and from what I've seen gluing with a few screws to hold it in place is far stronger.