Pre-mix mud vs. quick powder patch - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Softy · 07-28-2009, 11:17 AM

Is there any major different. I hated using pre-mix like Westex mud because it take forever to dry, usually more than a day. Dry patch I can have it ready for paint in one day texture and all. thanks

CrpntrFrk · 07-28-2009, 12:47 PM

I like to use hot mud for any patching(USG). But then for just a very thin coat I like to use the pre-mix because it seams to be less gritty (Murco). If I do it that way the patch IMO is less noticeable after being painted. Of course it also depends on the sheen of the paint and the type of texture.

A+ Texture · 07-28-2009, 08:21 PM

If your doing patches I'd stick to hot mud ONLY!! You can do the reapair and paint, all on the same day.

CrpntrFrk · 07-29-2009, 12:46 AM

Everything I said that I do IS done in the same day. The thin coat of pre-mix is so thin that it dries very fast. It also (most of the time) takes out a step of sanding. This works for me.

nEighter · 07-29-2009, 12:53 AM

it is also how you patch. If you embed the tape and flush the repair there should not be any noticeable area once the paint is applied. Doing it this way takes longer but the patch is also better IMO.

CrpntrFrk · 07-29-2009, 01:07 AM

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it is also how you patch. If you embed the tape and flush the repair there should not be any noticeable area once the paint is applied. Doing it this way takes longer but the patch is also better IMO.

I agree. And I do. But in the right light a patch sometimes can be seen. Once again sheen of paint and type of texture I feel play a role. When a house is textured, we will say Sante Fe for example, a pre-mix is used then sanded. It is very smooth. The hot mud that is available to me (USG) is very gritty. Usually the project is pretty far along and I try not to look to sanding as a "smooth it out" option because of the mess. So that thin ...... very thin layer of premix smoothes it out to match what was originally done. Now if I had Hamilton hot mud I would not need that thin layer of pre-mix. Once again this is what works for me to make sure that patch is not seen when painted and I can paint in the same day.

nEighter · 07-29-2009, 01:11 AM

oh I understand what you mean. Yeah the premix is a bit smoother.

if the walls are textured hot mud all the way, if smooth yeah the premix is definately better to smooth coat.. and it sands a hell of a lot better too :yes:

A+ Texture · 07-30-2009, 09:08 PM

Crpntr, I was merely answering the question, not disagreeing with you. But the grittiness in the hot mud I've noticed myself (USG). Seems like its only started being like that for about the last year and a half. I swear my 45 used to be smoother. I started noticing it on a long out of town job where the water seemed way over chlorinated. But when I had better water it still seemed gritty and has ever since. I wonder if they changed something in the mix?? I tried the stuff from lowes, I think it was wel-coat? not sure but it seemed to mix way smoother. But I didn't like how it set up, seemed to take longer than the same time mud in the other brand. Kept screwin me up when I went to sponge the edges.

CrpntrFrk · 07-31-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by A+ Texture

Crpntr, I was merely answering the question, not disagreeing with you. But the grittiness in the hot mud I've noticed myself (USG). Seems like its only started being like that for about the last year and a half. I swear my 45 used to be smoother. I started noticing it on a long out of town job where the water seemed way over chlorinated. But when I had better water it still seemed gritty and has ever since. I wonder if they changed something in the mix?? I tried the stuff from lowes, I think it was wel-coat? not sure but it seemed to mix way smoother. But I didn't like how it set up, seemed to take longer than the same time mud in the other brand. Kept screwin me up when I went to sponge the edges.

I took no offense. Have you used Hamilton hot mud? That stuff is the sh!+. The yard here used to carry it but they switched to USG. That Hamilton stuff will make you cream your shorts when you see how smooth hot mud can be.

Softy · 07-31-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CrpntrFrk

I agree. And I do. But in the right light a patch sometimes can be seen. Once again sheen of paint and type of texture I feel play a role. When a house is textured, we will say Sante Fe for example, a pre-mix is used then sanded. It is very smooth. The hot mud that is available to me (USG) is very gritty. Usually the project is pretty far along and I try not to look to sanding as a "smooth it out" option because of the mess. So that thin ...... very thin layer of premix smoothes it out to match what was originally done. Now if I had Hamilton hot mud I would not need that thin layer of pre-mix. Once again this is what works for me to make sure that patch is not seen when painted and I can paint in the same day.

Cool tip. I always having a hard time sanding down USG. So I decided to smooth it out with premix, Wespac green dot, and I can't believed how much easier it is. I haven't touch a sanding block the whole day and we should be finish with painting by tomorrow. Over here USG is from Lowe's and Wespac is HD. I like USG because it mix easier without drill unlike Westpac but Westpac is smoother. Texture on other hand I use Westpac. Thanks you save me so much work today.

A+ Texture · 07-31-2009, 10:07 PM

Weird how the same store in different places carries completely random products. The funny thing is I've gotten green box usg from HD, and in a pinch got the same thing from a lowes ore a BEST store and it seemed completely different when watering it down for texture, almost seemed like topping compound...

CrpntrFrk · 07-31-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by A+ Texture

Weird how the same store in different places carries completely random products. The funny thing is I've gotten green box usg from HD, and in a pinch got the same thing from a lowes ore a BEST store and it seemed completely different when watering it down for texture, almost seemed like topping compound...

I have thought the same thing before on random products. It is as if they make their products different for different suppliers.

A+ Texture · 07-31-2009, 10:31 PM

Hey Crpntr, your the only dude I noticed from AZ on here. I see your from Globe, are you an archery hunter by chance? We like to make our way up to Alpine in late Sept. I love hearing the bulls bugle. We usually camp at Luna or Big Lake. I'm getting ready for the summer Cous'e hunt right now.