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Mellison · 08-08-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankawitz

Roger,
The way this job is going it was all about the costs, I bid the job at first to replace all the wood lath with metal ribbed lath, but I was 3 times higher then the other two contractors, so I ended up going with 5/8s board then I'll basecoat and skim coat, but my costs are still going to be up there cause of all the damage to the Crowns top steps. when I pulled the ceiling down the last time this ceiling was repaired they pulled all the plaster off the lath and then installed rock lath over the wood then two coated it, As for the water leak they thought that it was fixed well I told them that we still had water dripping, she told me they had taken showers before I got there, well I took out the sub floor that hold the mortar back from the ceiling, then I took out the old mortar and there it was a section of pipe rusted and dripping, so now I have to wait and see how much of the plumbing is going to be removed, this same pipe is leaking in the next rooms ceiling, the pipes are all galvinized rusted pipes, been there since 1917

I have some more pictures of how much I got done.

Hey Frank,
I hope you don't get any call backs for this project.
I seem to remember a while back you writing that , and I am paraphrasing here, This method is amaturish and hack like and the problem with wannabe plasterers.
Just sayin.

I new I was right then..............................................
Mike

Frankawitz · 08-09-2009, 06:48 AM

Well as this job moves on the Plumber came out the other day, I had to go in and cut out a section in the other room so the plumber could see how much pipe he was going replace, well he only needs to run one section of pipe

Now I have more work with the other ceiling, but to get back to a few of you guys who think I am not a Professional Plasterer, when you have to bid jobs like these over some Handyman company who does plumbing, fixes windows and sreens and they come in witha price of $3,500 and they say they can have it all done in three days. so tell me how is it that I am not a Professional? cause I lower my price and changed the work scope to help the HomeOwner out so they can have their house back, or should I have told her "Listen lady that's my price and if you don't like F*** YOU"

Or should I have told her well listen I will see what I can do to lower the price so we can get this ceiling repaired for you! according to you being the PROFESSIONAL that you are, I should have walked? instead of lowing my price, but heres another thing, when I changed the scope of work I was able to do it for less cause I cut the labor and materials so I managed to bring the price down where the HomeOwner could afford to have the work done.
But I guess I'm just one of those HACKS you talked about huh? Mr. Professional

mikeswoods · 08-09-2009, 07:27 AM

I really have enjoyed the pictures and seeing your work.

Please don't let a few know nothing know it alls get under your skin.

Negotiating and adjusting a proposal is a fine art that some on this site do not understand and probably never will.

I admire your work--and the fact that you HAVE work speaks for it self.

Please keep the pictures coming.

fr8train · 08-09-2009, 08:08 AM

I agree with the previous poster, and will add that the fact that you changed your scope to lower your price, but were still more expensive than the other two bids and still got the job speaks volumes to either your skills as a plasterer and/or your skills as a businessman.

I wish I knew the art of plastering, no one that I know of around here does it. It is a shame too. When we did the demo portion of my house remodel I hated to tear down the plaster, all the hard work those guys did 103+ years ago, poof. But because of poor maintenance by previous owners, it had to come down.

Frankawitz · 08-10-2009, 07:06 AM

fr8train,
Sorry to hear that, I have seen that a lot people talk to some guy who says he knows how to do something like plaster and then turns around and rips all the plaster out and stick up drywall tapes and muds and calls it plastering

So I have a hard time with these type of guys. If I do work in another field I do it just like it should be done, I don't cut corners, if anything I usually over build according to my friend who's a rough carpenter, when we worked on my house and we had to frame in some walls, he told me "Dude you don't need to put metal wind braces in when your using OSB", well I did it anyways, he just shook his head and said "your something else" But like I told him when I do my plaster work I tell people it should last over a 100 years.

That's how I was taught build it to last.

Frankawitz · 08-19-2009, 06:16 AM

Well the plumbers finished up with the new pipes sp I closed up the ceiling and now I have to put in metal lath for the Crown and I'll start base coating and skim coating today, here's the latest pictures.

Vermaraj · 08-19-2009, 09:53 AM

Nice work. Hand troweled plaster is a lost art here in NYC. So many stunning built up mouldings get torn out at replaced with L3 drywall.

How are you going to rebuild the moulding?

mikeswoods · 08-19-2009, 08:19 PM

Fun to watch.

Please keep us tuned in.

MIKE

Frankawitz · 08-20-2009, 04:18 PM

I started mudding everything in today. when I got there this morning I start setting up and I find a water spot on the blue trap

I tell the home owner and she calls the plumbers. the plumber has no idea where the water is coming from

I just kept working

well after they left I asked her what did they say, she said they think it's the tile, so I took a look at it I pulled the caulk out of the corner of the tub and took my 5 in 1 and push the blade right in the wall

I said theres the problem

downstairs I filled in the gaps around the room, I got the Crown base coated so now I will base coat the rest of the ceiling, then come back and work the top two steps of the Crown.

Frankawitz · 08-20-2009, 04:29 PM

Heres were I finished up the home owner had to leave so I got 6 hours in.

Frankawitz · 08-23-2009, 06:32 AM

Well heres how its going so far

Tim0282 · 08-23-2009, 12:44 PM

Great pictures!! Always like seeing pictures!

Frankawitz · 08-27-2009, 06:06 AM

Well I got 3/4 of the ceiling skim coated, I still have a little work on the Crown above the fireplace, The Home Owner was saying yesterday that I need to get her a price on doing the rest of the Crown, which this will be around $3,500 so even tho I didn't get the full price I originaly quoted, I will end up with making $6,600.

mikeswoods · 08-27-2009, 07:15 PM

Interesting, you work hard for your money!

Great pictures.

Frankawitz · 08-28-2009, 05:54 AM

Mike, I take my time and it's not at all hard, I have worked on this ceiling now for three weeks, I don't have a helper I work by myself. But I hope to finish up today on the ceiling and Crown I repaired, then I'll come back in a few weeks and start the Crown Cornice Moulding.
The last picture is of a sun rise I watched yesterday morning. looks like it's on fire

DRC · 08-29-2009, 04:15 PM

Frankawitz,

You have some crazy mad skills. Thanks for the pictures.

Frankawitz · 08-29-2009, 10:28 PM

Well I got the ceiling done I sanded it out and then primed it, I was starting to spackle it and of course I run out of spackling, so I have to go back in the morning and finish up spoting out the ceiling and crown, then I have a estimate at 2:00 and then I'm suppost to start another job Monday. I can't complain work is coming in.

Frankawitz · 08-31-2009, 09:04 AM

Well went back in yesterday to finish up spackling the ceiling so now it's ready for paint, I gave her the price for the Crown Cornice moulding she told me she would need to save up so she can pay me, but I'm going back in on the 12th of September to do that work.

Frankawitz · 09-05-2009, 06:04 PM

Well I will be going back on the 12th to start working on the Crown more pictures will be posted. now I'm working on a three bedroom house, had plaster repair in Living room.

Frankawitz · 09-05-2009, 06:35 PM

Heres some more pictures I like the last one a Painter or Handyman used clothes line to fill the crack in the cove

Then below the picture moulding they had more rope down to the mantel