No Tape Where Wall Meets The Ceiling????

Mike Finley

Anybody familiar with this. I hired a drywall guy on a remodeling job not long ago and he was working on the top of the wall where it met the ceiling. He was applying the paper tape only on the wall drywall not overlapping onto the ceiling. I have never seen this before, he said he had been doing it this way commercially for 20 years with never a problem, he went on and on about it and the benefits of how fast it was, how it left such a nice line how it would never crack. I asked him to do it the 'old way' for me this time, since I was going to be responsible for any call backs. He pretty much shook his head and you could tell he considered me to be beneath him at this point, but he grudingly abided by my wishes.

So okay, what's the deal here, anybody seen this before?

BlkBart54

If you let him continue you,re asking for it. Anybody who doesn,t tape in the angles is and gives you attitude is big trouble. If you don,t have to call in a legitimate ffinisher after painted you,ll be lucky. All subs should make the general look like a genius. He,ll probably hit on the client,s wife and daughter.

Glasshousebltr

Hey now! Lets not get hasty in our judgment. His finish skills are at question here, not his moral integrity......I can't believe I've got the kahoonies to even use that word.

Mike, his other commercial ceilings are going to crack, it will be a nice straight crack, but a crack non the less.

Bob

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AAPaint

I've painted a lot of commercial work, and I've never seen that either. It's like hanging mud in limbo...I'd be more inclined to say with some good settling that crap will fall right out in chunks, let alone crack. He makes absolutely no sense. He's been doing it forever, but that just means he's been doing it WRONG forever. Oh well, I'm outta here.....estimates to do.

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Tom R

I call it 'flat-taping', and there are 'some' certain instances (not that one), where I use it, - - for instance, - - when I'm adding a drywalled closet inside a finished room that has a smooth walls and a textured ceiling, - - I'll 'flat-tape' the top of the wall, finish and paint, then apply a smooth bead of silicone caulk. Saves trying to 'patch-match' the ceiling. The silicone-connection is more flexible than the corner-tape itself would be.

Basically, - - the same method I use to 'end' my drywall against a fiberglass (or similar) shower unit, - - or anywhere else that I choose 'not' to use trim.

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mdshunk

Isn't that what drywall end cap is for? Just asking, not saying. I see this being used on commercial jobs where the rock meets the metal door bucks.

Tom R

Maybe for some, - - but not for me.

I only use capping if I happen to 'want' that to be my final look, - - for instance, the white vinyl capping, - - which is a look I would probably only use on something 'commercial', or for instance, in a basement.

I'm not a fan of spackling over capping, just an extra 'step', as I would still have to tape anyway, - - and in reality the tape itself will fare better than capping in a 'dimensional-stability-match' comparison with the drywall.

A capping against a textured ceiling would still require 'further' measures, - - nor does it fare well along the 'rounded' corners of a shower unit.

Flat-taping in instances like this works real well for me, - - but it is important to 'edge-spackle' first, - - so as to leave no voids behind the tape.

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Tom R

By no means am I claiming to be an authority on the subject, - - just that I'm self-taught, - - and this is what has worked for me, - - appears I'm already a 'minority' on this subject, - - no problem, - - would be interested to hear others opinions/experiences.

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GMW

Tom, I am planning on doing the same thing on my neighbors house. I am puttting up a wall between his kitchen and family room. It is butted up against a textured ceiling. I butted the finished edge of drywall to the ceiling and was planning on caulking the joint. I didn't see how I could match the texture if the joint compound went onto the ceiling. Thanks for letting me know I am not alone in my thinking.

Greg Di

My drywall sub showed me a trick for patching small holes and edge transitions with paper tape. I was reluctant, but I tell ya, it works!

Let's say you have to overcut the hole around a toilet supply valve that has not been stubbed. The valve handle is 2", yet the copper pipe is 1/2". I'm sure you know what I mean.

Anyhew, you lay down a coat of mud around the hole as if you were taping a seam, maybe 1/8" thick. You then tear off small pieces of paper tape to surround the hole. Obviously, some of the tape will overhang the hole and have no mud behind it. BEFORE you apply the little pieces of tape, you back butter them (using the wall is easiest) so there's mud behind all parts of the tape. The compound dries evenly and flat. Follow up with two more coats like a seam.

I used this trick today twice on two different bath remodels. You can also back butter the tape and use the tape to make a clean, straight edge on a transition if need be.

K2

We request flat tape and caulk when a new wall goes up against an existing lid. Makes life easy when a new tenant wants the wall removed two years later. Don't recall any problems or complaints.

King of Crown

Sounds like you need some crown up in there. let me know.

AAPaint

That WILL solve the issue, lol.

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K2

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That would be ok but you would have to come back and fit 4-1/2 inch pieces in when i tore the wall down unless you ran the crown through, and coped the short term walls in. That would bring up a long dicussion on coping and i would rather just flat tape and caulk.

PipeGuy

Mike-that explains your subs reference to commercial work. Tenant fit-out work most certainly considers the need to use means and methods that minimize the expense of reconfiguring the space for future tenants. Commercial tenants (renters) probably don't spend much time concerning themselves with determining the extent to which cracks do or do not develop at the ceiling line.

Mike Finley

Yep, I think after reading all this that you are correct. That makes the most sense to me. Thought I was losing my mind when he first started doing what he was doing.

ihmantas

knauf sliding tape between the wall and ceiling no paper corner tape no craks

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goneelkn

Gotta be a record!! Six years and three months!!

Mudshark

I would be wondering if there is no tape on the joint between wall and ceiling if it still meets the fire code? One of the reasons taping is required is to comply with regulations regarding fireproofing!

ihmantas

not in europe