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Old 03-27-2010, 07:46 AM   #1
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Question: I went by a job site yesterday to check on things. The drywall hangers were there. They were hanging drywall by nailing the drywall along the edges, and then screwing it everywhere else. Is this a good method of hanging drywall. I thought screws were always preferred over nails.
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Old 03-27-2010, 07:59 AM   #2
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Question: I went by a job site yesterday to check on things. The drywall hangers were there. They were hanging drywall by nailing the drywall along the edges, and then screwing it everywhere else. Is this a good method of hanging drywall. I thought screws were always preferred over nails.
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I like to nail the edges (ring shanks) and screw the field.

Seems to hang faster that way.
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No nails in the field is what I was always told.

Edges, ok, field bad.
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No nails in the field is what I was always told.

Edges, ok, field bad.
There are millions of houses built hanging drywall long before screws and ring shank nails came out with no problems, why would nails in the field now be a bad idea?
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There are millions of houses built hanging drywall long before screws and ring shank nails came out with no problems, why would nails in the field now be a bad idea?
I'm no drywaller, just did as I was told at the time.

Now it is just the way I do it.

Less chance of a screw ever popping its head out.
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Most "nail pops" that customers pay me to fix are just that....nail pops.

Screws do pop too from time to time. Just not nearly as frequently as nails.
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Nail pops and screw pops are not because of the fastener failing, it is due to improper installation or mudding.
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Nail pops and screw pops are not because of the fastener failing, it is due to improper installation or mudding.
Really? So the framing never changes size as it dries out after the building is closed up and occupied?
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Really? So the framing never changes size as it dries out after the building is closed up and occupied?
Will a screw stop this from happening?
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No, though I've seen far fewer screw pops than nail pops. My point was that they don't always happen due to substandard installation techniques.
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Honestly, maybe 1/10 "nail pops" that I deal with are screws coming loose.

I have to believe that using screws is the right way. Screws just hold up better.

Here in Chi-town, production rockers nail their angles and screw the field, OCD rockers screw everything, and hacks nail everything. That's not a dig, thats just how they do it here.

The one thing I know for sure is that you cannot blame a taper for nail pops or screw pops.
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one of the buildings were doing a renovation in has some old walls w nailed boards. every time we see a nail that has popped we tap it in and then the one above pops and it does this the whole length of the stud behind it. REAL PITA
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I have demoed plenty of walls that had nails on the edges & screws in the "field" (this is a new term to me but i like it), i seen no problems with them years later. I imagine that with 1 or 2 guys hanging & 1 guy screwing (depending on the type of building) things go pretty fast just tacking it in to place until the screw gun comes to finish the job,,, makes sense to me.

I think i would feel better if the ceilings were all screws tho, if i was installing the drywall that is.

Which brings up another question that the OP could've asked:
Is it ok to nail the edges & screw the field (i still love saying this now) as standard practice, when we are talking about ceilings?
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Great discussion men!

I spoke about this point with my structural engineer last week. His answer to me is that the shear strength of a wall is increased by 30 + percent if the dry wall is nailed @ 7" centers along the perimeter. Dry wall adds so much strength to the home and this added strength can be lost by using screws.

This extra sheer strength is over the top and a walls strength is meet by standard framing and exterior sheathing. If you only need roofing nails to gain 30 - 40 percent sheer strength and the down side is a few nail pops - why not???

I have added extra blocking and a wack of Strong tie strap to increase my homes "Shake and Hold" properties. My girls and I spent an afternoon pounding extra nails preparing for the "BIG ONE".

I'll add this nails in my home, simple insurance and added safety.
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If you only need roofing nails to gain 30 - 40 percent sheer strength and the down side is a few nail pops - why not???
Whut?

What the heck do roofing nails have to do with hanging drywall? Man, I hope you're having a good evening!
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Nail pops and screw pops are not because of the fastener failing, it is due to improper installation or mudding.
I am ot a rocker by trade. But since no one else by that title has responded, I will pipe in here. Not that some who have responded have not hung more rock than me ( not saying a lot ), I have to partially agree with this statement since sometimes rock may not be completely against the studs when nailed or screwed, paper may be broken from a nail or screw being driven too deep. Some may even work the edges too much before nailing or screwing the field leaving a slight bulge in the field that can't really be pushed against the studs or ceiling joists properly after the edges are anchored. What little rock I have done, I like to start in the field a smuch as possible and work my way out to the edges. Sometimes on the walls, I might start high, and work my way down keeping any bulge pushed out as I push the rock against the wall studs.
Also, are some nailpops not caused by moisture in the wood studs/joists?

When I come across a nail pop and get the nail out, I will either drive the nail back in and place a new nail to over the old nail, or I will put a screw near the old nail/screw.

I have not hung a lot of rock, relatively speaking, but I have had to fix a few nailpops and thought I would comment on the subject.

Now I will .
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I've hung train car loads of drywall in my life. Early days glue/nail, and no glue/double nail,then it was screw ceilings only, next it was srew everything. Can't remember the last time I saw a hanger with nails.

Wonder what my thumb would look like if I was nailing all these years. Thanks for the memory of my waffle head hatchet I use to use.

Most of the pop problems I repair are due to these things. Walls/ceiling not flat,high or low truss/stud. Wet PT on exterior walls dries and shrinks. And my fvorite is the hanger that is super fast.........like 5 screws in 3 seconds who does not actually sink the screw into the stud but it does recess into the board appearing to be in properly.

Now for the OP.......Nothing wrong with nailing the edges and screwing the feild.
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Great discussion men!

I spoke about this point with my structural engineer last week. His answer to me is that the shear strength of a wall is increased by 30 + percent if the dry wall is nailed @ 7" centers along the perimeter. Dry wall adds so much strength to the home and this added strength can be lost by using screws.

This extra sheer strength is over the top and a walls strength is meet by standard framing and exterior sheathing. If you only need roofing nails to gain 30 - 40 percent sheer strength and the down side is a few nail pops - why not???

I have added extra blocking and a wack of Strong tie strap to increase my homes "Shake and Hold" properties. My girls and I spent an afternoon pounding extra nails preparing for the "BIG ONE".

I'll add this nails in my home, simple insurance and added safety.

If you want to add sheer strength, use drywall glue.It helps to make the entire envelope a composite section.

I have no problem using a few (cup head) drywall nails with a drywall hatchet. Not (flat head) roofing nails with a framing hammer.
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I mentioned roofing nails and this is creating a stir. let me double check the drawings today and get back on the exact nail. I was sure he said roofing nail but we discussed a ton of things.

Roofing nails, ring shanks or whatever the drawings in my home renovation spec nails along the perimeter when hanging drywall.

I will check and report back.

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