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Old 05-09-2017, 06:19 AM   #1
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Framer's Question For You Drywallers


Hi ,

Quick question for you drywallers from a residential remodeler. If I am tying in to an existing finished outside corner with new framing (basically extending the plane of the existing wall) is it necessary to remove the corner bead before I fasten the 2x4 framing to the wall through the drywall? Or can you tape the joint between the new board and the corner bead.

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Old 05-09-2017, 09:26 AM   #2
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No problem with leaving the bead there, as long as you have a decent mud man.

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Old 05-09-2017, 03:18 PM   #3
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Why not just remove it? It has to be redone anyway. Might as well start from the corner.


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You can leave it but you can get a flatter finish if you remove it.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:54 PM   #5
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I would remove it. If not, 9 times out of 10, you will get a hump in the wall.
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I prefer to remove the bead because you don't have to bust the joint out as far with mud to kill the visual transition.

You are looking at a 1/8" to 3/16" mud build up from the original bead in place, and now you are adding to it. If you remove the bead and scrape off a little of old mud, you are more or less finishing like it's a normal butt/corner joint. It doesn't take but a few minutes.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:10 PM   #7
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Always remove it. They always seem to crack if you don't.
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Another vote for removal.

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I always strike the edge of the bead with the claw of my hammer to remove it. Work your way from top to bottom and the drywall is not harmed.
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And don't use mesh tape.
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another vote to remove bead.

will be nothing but trouble if you leave it....
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It's beyond me why you would even contemplate leaving the bead. not only would I remove the bead I'd remove at least some of the drywall due to the build up of mud from the bead.
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I always strike the edge of the bead with the claw of my hammer to remove it. Work your way from top to bottom and the drywall is not harmed.
It only takes seconds with the framing claw,,,
I 3rd it.
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To me it depends on the circumstances. I wouldn't be so quick to have the knee jerk reaction to remove it. While I agree in most cases you are better off removing it, there are exceptions to the rule that require a little more information. For example, Is it a plaster wall to where the bead is deeply embedded to the point where removing it could loosen the existing plaster from the lathe? Could it be in a awkward place that can cause more harm than good to remove it?

I wouldn't answer the question without knowing the condition of the existing wall. I will say this, either way you go, I can tie it in and have.

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The OP said it was drywall. If you leave the bead it will be crowned right there. Attaching a 2x4 to it, before removing the bead, is not best practices.

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The OP said it was drywall. If you leave the bead it will be crowned right there. Attaching a 2x4 to it, before removing the bead, is not best practices.

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He didn't state what the existing wall was. Maybe I missed it, I just don't see it. Two things I'm pointing out here. One which I said was for the most part I would remove the bead. Second is that there are exceptions. The point is, The circumstance determine the answer. There is no one size fits all. Being drywallers, we know better. No two drywallers are the same. That's why we have different answers. Also you can say for sure it will be crowned. How do you know the framer won't compensate for it? How do you know the condition, size or any other determining factors that can come into play such as doors windows and arches?

My point is, there isn't a straight forward answer that will determine the best result. If you want a straight forward answer, the truth is, It can go either way. But that doesn't say what's the best and I mean best way to go.

His question was is it necessary. Is it? Or are we answering is it best? I tried to answer both.

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Quick question for you drywallers from a residential remodeler. If I am tying in to an existing finished outside corner with new framing (basically extending the plane of the existing wall) is it necessary to remove the corner bead before I fasten the 2x4 framing to the wall through the drywall? Or can you tape the joint between the new board and the corner bead.



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Not trying to argue, but I was referring to this. However I agree there can certainly be exceptions.



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Ok. I missed that. That's on me. Then my question would be why not remove not only the bead but why not gut the existing wall and hang new rock that spans over the pld meeting new to avoid a settling crack?
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I always remove cornerbead. I guess there could be exceptions to leave the corner bead. But those are rare.
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I always remove cornerbead. I guess there could be exceptions to leave the corner bead. But those are rare.
Who has time to feather in that lump Leave the ridge of mud for the drywaller to pop off

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