RED ON RED..."OMG'' after all we been thru :blink:...lol
I always liked the red brick....I have 20 years on mine, love the spalled look too. Somehow I knew you'd get a request to do'm geesh that line would've kicked ass.
Ok I had this ready 4ya....this is me and a mason doing similar but Orton Rumford Fashion...25 years ago.:whistling No Lines on this. I think? We had the beast heater going just out of site on the right....I swear it!..lol
I have a load of the metal pans but I started the handy man pan on large commercial jobs....no one steals them! When they wear I put one inside the other with a sheet of poly between...Nice on chimney rebuilds too.
J, how many time were you fooled into thinking they were full as they sat unsuported by ply on a milk box!...the trowel tip hitting the bottom ..''a masons version of diving into a empty swimming pool!'' lol
Cmon Sean we used to slide down the hill with the pans!,,,lol
We use plywood boards too...in fact I love the boards but they do take up a bit more room in tight areas. one plus the pans have is alot of times the labs will take the smaller pans down place it at their feet and give it hell with the hoe...big difference in hot weather compared to boards.
For those rubberized pans, are they like the thick black acid wash pails? i.e. same shape as the conventional metal ones?
Nope seem fine so far in the winter, wonder if the heat in the summer will dry the mud out quickly with the pan being black an all, always used boards Dom seen these in princess auto and thought they would make good mortar boards/pans. So far so good, keeps the mortar in one place nice and clean.
I think I know the ones you're talking about. Made of the same material that the black horse feed pails are made of? If so they're mostly rubber like you say so they don't dry out and get brittle
That's the ones, I use buckets of the same material, not cheap but have used them for 2 years now same buckets, the Home Depot ones crack very easy these are tough as hell.
yeah you can drop the feed pails from 3 sections up (not that I'd do that....of course not) and they just bounce. A normal pail and you crack 1 out of 4 (not that I'd do that)
finished up the second floor today, crammed a 13x18, a 13x13 and an 8x12 into this.
Ill straighten out the hearth while the copper guy does the pan flashing. This fireplace is just a gas log
The back and side will be exposed. Unjointed . I tried to just slap it together, even filled the back and side in from time to time without a line, just couldnt get the crooked brick look I was looking for without risking a hump in the wall. No way im banging solid bricks around with a hump in the line.
This is where we're heading next week. Heaven. :thumbsup: Jobs about 70% done. GC needs to speed it up a bit. We'll be in doing an outdoor gas fireplace and hopefully transition to doing the stone veneer along with the current stone guys. We've worked together before, so no problems.
Looking good Karl, get a few more snaps of the scaffold when you are there, stone as well, love seeing how others do things, stealing their ideas and getting the credit as my own. Insert evil laughter.
re;JB, those 52DD's? and portland in the firebox. Inspectors would chop our dingys off for that. I do however like the look and am quite familiar with the consequences.
I make 12'' when I do the red brick but they dont bother me here in ct.All you would have to do is back up with firebrick if they complain.
Actually it's the small rumfords that really get hot and blister. Here's two picks done with the 52dd brick. One is a large cookin type that the owner wanted copied from her friend that I did too. They burned alot and would place a sheet metal curtain in front of it when they went to sleep.It has no damage ie the logs hardly come in contact with the sides and air cools where there's no fire.
The other is my son's 36'' Orton variation which really heats and is showing some firebox stress in 3 years. It uses a 42'' cut flange vestal ie 20'' deep box / 6'' rear wall lean on 50''.
J looks good.....gotta get you to do a orton variation yet!
Thats what I do, I wrap the backside of the brick and even bond to it. I leave room for expansion after that. Boxes will last pretty much a lifetime even with reg. mortar if the box cant move.
I've been mulling over tying one more imrovement to make my throat more epa friendly.
Well two nights ago I did the test starting at 4pm to 10 am in still rain and 30 degree weather which turned foggy.
The wood is near green an very damp because it's all I have left so I started a coal base with 2 by 4's etc. Long story short is I leap frogged the 1:30 to a insane 1:51 throat ratio!!! No smoke
This is now 2.5 times smaller than a 1:20 and 3.5 times less than a same sized Orton and off the charts compared to a 48'' BIA box!
I emailed Jim Buckley and he was very receptive but doesnt understand what I've done mainly because I never told him.
I now need to go thru the tests in my 36'' office orton and the one in the basement to see if the ratio decreases but I have much excess!
Boy if had gone ahead with the patent this would of been someone else's......ThankYou Robert Hellman
ps he doesnt know yet!
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