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Old 07-18-2013, 07:21 PM   #1
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I have a customer that wants a bluestone patio laid tight with out mortar joints. I've always done it wet with mortar joints. Any suggestions?
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I would dry lay it? That would require loads of trimming using my available material, unless you go thermal.

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Can you get bluestone that will work out number wise? I cant that I know of, and im not cutting all of that for the normal sq.ft. $.
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Keep putting them down guys, I make a lot of money pulling them up
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You do alot of bluestone remodeling do you?
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You do alot of bluestone remodeling do you?
10 or so a year. Nothing crazy. We have a lot have hacks around here so nothing is done right. We just did one last week
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I've ordered small amounts of custom order bluestone for jobs similar to that. I didn't pay much more for them either. I think you would be better off ordering better stone for that project and keeping your labor price the same. . . Rather than the other way around.

If you where to buy the stocked pavers around here in RI . . You would be cutting a boat load of stones. They all seem to suck most of the time
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Can you get bluestone that will work out number wise? I cant that I know of, and im not cutting all of that for the normal sq.ft. $.
I think consideration needs to be given to the customers request. Some clients are more than willing to pay for exactly what they want. Not too long ago had a convo with a friend of mine who frequents these forums about tight laid bluestone that was correct to the period for historical homes in PA. Perhaps he might chime in...does some real high end work.

Jbm- all my natural cleft is coming from Swenson. Would have to cost a whole lot of $ to cut every piece square like that
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I've ordered small amounts of custom order bluestone for jobs similar to that. I didn't pay much more for them either. I think you would be better off ordering better stone for that project and keeping your labor price the same. . . Rather than the other way around.

If you where to buy the stocked pavers around here in RI . . You would be cutting a boat load of stones. They all seem to suck most of the time


We always say for Christmas where all going to chip in and buy the guys that quarry the Bluestone new tapes and squares AND new glasses.
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I think consideration needs to be given to the customers request. Some clients are more than willing to pay for exactly what they want. Not too long ago had a convo with a friend of mine who frequents these forums about tight laid bluestone that was correct to the period for historical homes in PA. Perhaps he might chime in...does some real high end work.

Jbm- all my natural cleft is coming from Swenson. Would have to cost a whole lot of $ to cut every piece square like that
I think Swenson stocks the whole area. Everytime I have to order anything somewhat custom at all by the time the yard marks it up its crazy money.
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10 or so a year. Nothing crazy. We have a lot have hacks around here so nothing is done right. We just did one last week
So, I guess home re-modelers are better masons than masons in your area.
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Lol @ making money pulling them up
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I think Swenson stocks the whole area. Everytime I have to order anything somewhat custom at all by the time the yard marks it up its crazy money.
I'm sure they are supplying quite a few places anyway. I buy from the North Kingstown RI yard often and see the other local stoneyard flatbeds getting loaded up from time to time.

Oh yea and never mind the woodpeckers butting in on this thread....they just wish they fit in with the masons

Anyway.....I would order stone for that project. Seems like the simple solution.
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So, I guess home re-modelers are better masons than masons in your area.
I never said I put them back down
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Carpenter mixing up flagstone with bluestone.

/carry on.
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Carpenter mixing up flagstone with bluestone.

/carry on.
Bluestone is I kind of flagstone. Same rock family.
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I think consideration needs to be given to the customers request. Some clients are more than willing to pay for exactly what they want. Not too long ago had a convo with a friend of mine who frequents these forums about tight laid bluestone that was correct to the period for historical homes in PA. Perhaps he might chime in...does some real high end work.

Jbm- all my natural cleft is coming from Swenson. Would have to cost a whole lot of $ to cut every piece square like that
Hey Captn! beautiful flag patio I just saw of yours on the other site. Sick firepit!
As everyone has mentioned already, wet laid bluestone with tight joints will not only require cutting of nearly every piece, but if you dont know what your doing youll be left with some effed up sizes real quick... and way out of square.
But you could do this though... with relative ease. A quarry I use now produces Bluestone "pavers." I believe there are quite a few quarries that produce this now. Heres a link below... check it out. They cut the stone to full inch sizes and is 2" thick... which I like. It is offered in a few different patterns. You can wet lay this stone with a tight joint, but I would grout the seams regardless. you can actually lay this stone like a tile, with a mod. thinset mortar. just make sure you trowel finish the pour real nice. it goes down fast. heres a patio I did in thermal bluestone that I laid with a 3/8" notched trowel technique. I flew through this. You could tight fit this I suppose as it is more accurately cut than natural cleft, but your still going to do a lot of cutting.
http://www.hepcoquarries.com/html/pr...BluestonePaver
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heres the same stone with a tight joint. dry laid. is this what your looking for.
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how tight is tight? most stock bluestone is +/- 1/2 an inch in all directions. you can get tight joints but you will cut every third stone.......
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Carpenter mixing up flagstone with bluestone.

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