Stone Over Brick Exterior

RenovatorsWV

When applying stone veneer over brick (exterior of the home) can you simply scratch coat and go?? I know with block if it's been painted, sealed, etc we have covered in tyvex, then mesh, scratch coat, then stone.

This brick is clean/untreated in any way - what about cement board over the brick before the stone?

thanks for the help

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dakzaag

If the brick is not painted or treated then you can stick the stone directly to it. You could screw wire mesh on if you wanted to be absolutely sure, but it would be overkill.

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dom-mas

So long as the brick is sound nothing else is necessary.

stonecutter

Like the others said..no paint,sealer or bad brick. I'm doing a remodel on a fireplace right now that had horrible stonework that was stuck to the old brick. They used wire lath and anchored it to the brick. It was tough getting it off...if your stone is thin then a mechanical bond will be a good idea.

Think about using a acrylic additive to your scratch coat too.

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aureliconstruct

pressure wash before then go for it.

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sitdwnandhngon

Personally I would bid it for anchoring lath. But I tend to overkill things.

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JBM

Take the brick down and do a 4" stone veneer imo. It will look fudged around the doors and windows.

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Tom Struble

i heard you had to lick it before you stick it

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sitdwnandhngon

Good point, for some reason in my head I was thinking of of a structural brick building.

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Diamond D.

I can only guess that taking out the brick is not in the budget.

Brick mold and a good job should take the fudge off the doors and windows.

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TheItalian204

Man why would anybody want lick and stick over brick

anyway you can definetly get away with it...appearantly masonry subtrades require only scratch coat over the top.

As above mentioned gentlemen,I would pressure wash,check for abscence of some DIY sealer,paint and point the loose joints if those exist.

Check manufacturer guide not to void the warranty if "stone" is man made.

If you budgeted, for peace of your mind use wire lath..

And use wire lath if its natural stone...its heavier and you dont want to take chances.

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Tscarborough

The warranty on faux stone simply says the stone will not spontaneously crumble to dust within xx years.

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sitdwnandhngon

Just xx + 1 right

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TheItalian204

Which faux stone were you installing?

As matter of fact I can probably dissolve a piece of cultured stone in glass of cola overnight(ok,maybe over two)

But does that mean that OP has to void customer's warranty?

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Tscarborough

Any issue he will have will not be covered by the warranty. They do not warrant that the stones will adhere, they do not warrant anything to do with water penetration, they do not, in fact, warrant anything other than the piece of concrete will remain a piece of concrete.

Manufacturers installation instructions are good and should be followed for the conditions under which they provide them. Just do not think that doing so provides any type of warranty.

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TheItalian204

Hm thats weird...I do agree with you that companies like to void ppl's warranties,however I did several installation where companies actually warrantied work/material and would provide free re-installation and material if those failed...

I happened to have several accounts with some cultured stone vendors around Winnipeg and I do install on fairly big scale for them,maybe thats why.

Either way..you gonna try that trick with glass of coke and piece of concrete?

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TheItalian204

And btw I am still wondering what "stone veneer" OP is talking about...clarification on whether he is talking about cultured stone or natural stone would be appreciated.

Plus I didnt know tyvek is appropriate for installation any sorts of masonry...even fake ones.

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Tscarborough

Good thinset manufacturers will warranty pop-off, but if it comes from the stone manufacturer, you better read the small print.

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Tscarborough

"I did several installation where companies actually warrantied work/material and would provide free re-installation and material if those failed"

Sorry, but you are mistaken if you think a manufacturer is going to warrant your work. Even if you are a certified installer, they will not guarantee your work.

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