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Old 07-30-2013, 08:21 PM   #1
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"Root "Joint Truly A First


Anyone ever had a request for a root joint. Back in 82 used this on a over sized tumbled brick job result was amazing. Any residential guys ever heard of or used this?
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:51 PM   #2
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No that was before the days of snapping photos with a cell phone. Looks like a rake joint. You pick a root off the ground and go to town scratching mortar out. First last only time I ever saw this method or used it. With the tumbled brick being so rough around edges it worked nice. Not to mention the extra 40$ per thousand. I called it a fake rake.
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I never heard of a "root joint" but I think what you mean is an "extruded" joint sometimes its called a "squeezed" joint. This is a naturally formed joint when brick is laid the excess mortar which is squeezed out left untouched and it gives textured unfinished look like in this picture.
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No that's what we call a weeping joint. The roots looked like pencils after they got to pointy to achieve look. Looks just like a very weathered rake joint.
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Do people do that kind of joint on purpose? It looks beyond horrible. I would be in court for 10 years if I did that.
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As far as a root joint I think we are going to need a couple more clues.
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Do people do that kind of joint on purpose? It looks beyond horrible. I would be in court for 10 years if I did that.
Yes, its done on purpose, nobody in the right mind would do a joint like that

The picture I posted from the house we did work in and there is a few homes in that development with the same type of finish. I guess maybe it was popular at that time, or who ever designed homes for that area this type of finish was part of theirs design.
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I was also blown away when we got to the job and was asked did I bring my root jointer? I've heard of flag stone being jointed in a very similar manner. We grout bag our flag stone veneers then brush after it sets up. But some guys do the root joint effect in my area. Could be were they got the idea? Something I will never forget. But it did look good with the tumbled inconsistent shapes of the brick and their edges.
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Do people do that kind of joint on purpose? It looks beyond horrible. I would be in court for 10 years if I did that.
If that's a weep joint some one got over zealous with trowel and were to lazy to redo parts that they cut mortar off out of habit. A good weep is one of the hardest joints to do right.
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This is one I noticed while pricing a near by job, it's a horrible look so many problems but at least try to make it blend in,
Horrible style of work done well is still horrible but the effort was there.

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This is one I noticed while pricing a near by job, it's a horrible look so many problems but at least try to make it blend in,
Horrible style of work done well is still horrible but the effort was there.


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This is one of my favourites, they toothed out the brick, kinda ,
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I've heard of using a root to joint with as a joke. I have seen an old guy use a branch off a white oak ( HAD to be a white oak, why he didn't know but he sure knew it HAD to be white oak), but not a root. And that was for stone, not brick. It matched the back of my slicker well enough which is what i like to use
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Not a root jointer, but a piece of garden hose. Just did it today. Crazy little job, An addition was built on an existing foundation and they cantilevered the floor out about 1 ft on each side for more room in the house. The owner was concerned about critters getting in there and calling it home. It's really a small space and told him I could just tuck cement board up under the water table. It would keep animals out and the only person that would see it is the guy on his knees pulling weeds in the flower bed. Nope, gotta be a full on project. So I dug out about a foot. Poured a 6"x8" reinforced bond beam and laid brick on it..The only way to do the joints was with my glove or a short piece of garden hose. The hose worked pretty well....better than a glove I'd say. As you can see....there's not much to see. This is one end of the addition, tomorrow we do the other.


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By the time it's back filled, no one but me will know it's there. Whatever, this guys money is very green and I'm just a masonry whore.
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I earned my keep working up side down, kinda sucked.
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A good weep is one of the hardest joints to do right.



Agreed,probably next in line is a trowel struck weathered joint. Especially if you are doing the work off hand as opposed to over hand.
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Agreed,probably next in line is a trowel struck weathered joint. Especially if you are doing the work off hand as opposed to over hand.
A good friend of mine did his house in weathered joint. I prefer a full V over the weathered, from 20' they look about the same. Concept is different but maybe minimal functionality as far as rain water shedding ability. About like the water shed brick we use on Air Force base. Good concept but when either get wet they get wet.
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Agreed,probably next in line is a trowel struck weathered joint. Especially if you are doing the work off hand as opposed to over hand.
weather joint or reverse weather?

Weather joint \, reverse weather /. reverse weather is very easy to do. Maybe one of the worst joints there is but it's actually the most common brick joint I see in restoration brick wo

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