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Cole82

They are rental's. I had to notch a 1/4" deep by 3' long groove into those 2x4 uprights. They seam to be better designed for steel studs they fit in that alongated hole in the studs perfect. But no one had 18gauge studs on short notice.

Cole82

Got word yesterday TLC 10/22/09 at 9 p.m. TLC 10/29/09 at 6 p.m. are the times the first show airs.

We are trying to pour the wall wednesday this week, but we are supose to get a boat load of rain that day as well so we will see.

Got the new screw running this week. Today was day one and went very very well. Also started to rock the driveway so the pump and trucks can drive down that instead of the mudy field.

Cole82

What a *****ing mess. The 45* cornes held great, the straight sections of wall held great, the T intersections held great, the door bucks held great. Now onto the 90* corners. Every single one of the seperated and blew out. YOu heard me every single one. The rep on hand had no sugestions and was making frantic calls. No one had an awnser, everything was built EXACTLY as the instructions said. Light forms awnser was we don't sell a lot of 12" wall. I am trying to get a person higher up in the company to come look at it. IF it was a defective batch of premade corners or they need to redesign for the 12" walls.
Sorry no pics I forggot the camera. I will get them soon though.

Cole82

Oh yeah cut the hell out of my knuckle.
only pic

dakzaag

Every 90 degree corner blew out? Thank your lucky stars for all those other angles. What did you do different in the other corners. Extra support/bracing? Something has to be up.

Sorry to hear of the train wreck, were you able to reinforce the blown corners and finish the pour or did you have to punt.

Last item in the wall is the factory rep at this point. I would be blowing smoke from all holes and few new ones as well.

I used to have a boss who would have said "a little slow on the uptake don't you think!" After the third corner blowing out. He was a real jerk, but it did force me to make adjustments sooner rather than later when my process wasn't working.

Any camera's rolling when this went down?

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Cole82

No no camera's from discovery.
The 90's were the only premade part of the wall. They are a huge peice of foam that fit into the tounge and groove of the straight wall blocks. That is where it failed the tounge ripped off on the big corner pieces came off.
The 45's we had to hand cut and glue together. same with the T intersections. Hand cut and glued.

The blow outs were repaired and we finished. It shouldn't be to bad but can't really tel until I remove the 80 2x4's on the corners.

dakzaag

Good on ya for gettin it done!

Learning curve is always steep, but now you know.

I would say that the corners were crap and you need to adjust the process until the manufacture figures it out.

Probably be the last ICF you do for two years so basically you have some very valuable information that you will not use again.

Pics will be great, take some with all the extra bracing so we can make fun of you. This is still the best thread on this site all year and probably ever!

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SLSTech

Congrats on getting it done - I agree with Dakzaag, you definitely have an early shot at one of the best of 09 posts

You are making money on this job still, right?

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Cole82

Thanks guys!
Yes I am getting T&M for this project. Still wish I knew what was wrong. Could have been a less stress full day.

dakzaag

Throwing worthless manufature reps in front of a bus is know to relieve stress.

Maybe a John Deere Combine would be easier to locate where your at.

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IHI

He, if it was that easy, everybody would be doing it......oh wait, i forgot with this recession everybody IS doing it



Sucks when the trucks on on site and ya run into this crap....we had an addition homie used some hack for the footings/foundation. 3" out of square in 16', and then his forms were blowing out and he used 3 extra yrds of material due to improper bracing....he billed the homie for it LMFAO!!!!!!

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Cole82

That is the truth JD combine's are every where busses are hard to find.
I didn't even want this job, because of my lack of experience. But just couldn't find the right guy for the job around here.
It kind of makes me feel like a hack with all the corner problems, but I did it exactly as the man. told me to. The rep even said it was brace more than needed.

joasis

You have answered my question regarding the forms you are using. I asked the rep about the corner forms, and he assured me they were great. Well, we don't have blowouts.

I don't know what I would have done on site, but many years ago, the standard was to keep 3/4 ply on hand for emergency repairs. The first ICF poors I was learning on had a few blowouts, and these were tall walls....the method was to move the poor on down the wall, shovel out the excess, place the form back up, and screw ply and whalers on to reinforce, then re-pour. Hell of a a mess.

If I have any questions about strength, especially T intersects, and if I doubted the corners, i would brace in advance...tying the forms together with scraps of 2x or anything can alleviate many of these problems.

Glad to hear it worked out for you.

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Keep at it Cole Some days are better than others...

I've only had one blowout, and it was when using a pump truck... and a vibrator.

Touch that high slump mud w/ a vibrator and it goes liquid

Gotta have pics so we can feel your pain

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IHI

All you could do with a new to you product is do things exactly as the product rep told you to do....that is why they are there, to ensure their product is installed/used correctly to further promote their product....so when you boyz went beyond what they recommended and the product STILL had blow out issues....well, it's not too hard to see where the problem really lies to those of us that can see the big picture and be honest about it vs the fools we all encounter that like to soapbox and point fingers. Personally i think the ICF's are a pretty amazing feat looking at them for what they are. Styrofoam is holding/retaining how many TONS of pressure....and yet the same material that holds my cup of coffee from the gas station cracks out and makes my crotch hot and wet LOL!!

Since ICF's have hit the market, none of my freinds/colleges that got into installing/dealing with them has ever bragged about the first job or even the first 3 jobs they ever tried went flawlessly, ALL of them had to deal with issues like what you experienced...this was YOUR first time with it, and you obviously learned ALOT!!! which you could implement on the next one should you choose to do so. Just like the first time i went solo doing a new aspect, things happened and i had to deal with it/redo it, etc...but your partaking in a HUGE job involving many aspects and overall things appear to be going great...now if you could just get the weather to work with ya i suppose your sitting around today/tomorrow again too like we are.

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Bump - the shows on TLC right now, and repeated in another hour & half

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IHI

Good call!!

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I had a huge long post wrote out then my connection failed so I lost it.

Thanks for the words fellas.
Today and tomarrow I am trimming a basement and hanging doors so pics may not come until late friday or saturday. It is an hour away and all.

How was the show, I don't get TLC and couldn't make it to the premier to far to drive late at night with my 3 year old.

IHI

All i got out of it was the guy overseeing the operation screwed up the ICF forms and lots of collateral damage


It was just highlighting the move itself, and the mover and his family/business and what went on behind the scene, the move, etc....pretty interesting watching something that fricken huge ride down the road...WOW!!! and i just laughed when they'd get hung up with the rain...kinda keeps everything in perspective on how we've all been getting screwed these past few years with all the rain

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Rain has made my tools rusty. We use to not work in the rain now it has turned into seatle we have too.
Did they show him getting his hand crushed? There was a rumer they got it on tape.