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Old 06-28-2009, 05:47 PM   #21
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Here is the og blueprint. It's a picture of the print. Very chopped up.

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Old 06-28-2009, 06:04 PM   #22
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This plan does not show foundation below the porches, but the house has looks like it has foundations below the existing porches, make sure they don't get missed during wall construction.

It will be tough to add them later.
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Oh trust me this whole thing has me wondering if I should even try this, but I want to get some ICF experience under my belt.
I have been in contact with a guy that has done a couple house moves. He has be giving me a couple good hints on how th get the house to line up. Because it for shure wont be square. I'll try and post a pic of the OG house blue prints.
Looking at the plan, and what you will be doing, this is where I would start:

I would "plot" the existing house, and I mean square grid it where you have a transit shot on all sides, use steel pins for markers, and graph it. With a few top quality steel tapes, replicate the outside reference pins, and protect them, and then you can use them as a reference for actual location points for the foundation.

As an added thought, I would probably make the top course a "ledge form". If you have lally columns under the existing house, and they have ideas of opening the space up, you will need to keep this in mind, since steel placement for support beams must be planned for in the ICF system, just like a conventional basement is done.

A guy who has built a "couple of houses" is not who I would turn to for advice or hints, the ICF supplier should be your primary source, and they should have a consultant. Or no kidding, for the money involved, pay Chris to come out and run the project with your labor, just like I did with the Bristow Job. You get the hands on experience with a fully qualified expert......there ain't no substitute for experience. Good luck.

Oh yeah, this isn't a good one for the very first one. It would be a challenge for me......but I bet Chris has some that were more complicated then this.
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This plan does not show foundation below the porches, but the house has looks like it has foundations below the existing porches, make sure they don't get missed during wall construction.

It will be tough to add them later.
I did notice that as well. I will be checking tomarrow as I will be going to the site mid day.
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Looking at the plan, and what you will be doing, this is where I would start:

I would "plot" the existing house, and I mean square grid it where you have a transit shot on all sides, use steel pins for markers, and graph it. With a few top quality steel tapes, replicate the outside reference pins, and protect them, and then you can use them as a reference for actual location points for the foundation.

As an added thought, I would probably make the top course a "ledge form". If you have lally columns under the existing house, and they have ideas of opening the space up, you will need to keep this in mind, since steel placement for support beams must be planned for in the ICF system, just like a conventional basement is done.

A guy who has built a "couple of houses" is not who I would turn to for advice or hints, the ICF supplier should be your primary source, and they should have a consultant. Or no kidding, for the money involved, pay Chris to come out and run the project with your labor, just like I did with the Bristow Job. You get the hands on experience with a fully qualified expert......there ain't no substitute for experience. Good luck.

Oh yeah, this isn't a good one for the very first one. It would be a challenge for me......but I bet Chris has some that were more complicated then this.
Thanks a bunch for the info.
I am not one to exaggerate my skills and this IS outside my current skills. Since the owners have taken more and more of the foundation work out of my hands I am not shure if they would let me get another advisor or campany involved. The Rep is supose to be on site for this.
I am so nervouse about this job. I have done 10,000sqf comercial reno's and wasn't the least worried. For some reason building a 14' icf wall under a house does.
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Chris, I was told once there are two guarantees with concrete.
1. It will get hard
2. It will crack
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The Rep is supose to be on site for this.
I would bet Chris and I both can tell you some of these "reps" have never actually built anything...they just talk the talk. Careful....careful........
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Jeez, Cole82, I hope your contract is being 'adjusted' to reduce your liability and define your responsibility since the owners are taking more of the foundation job away from you. It sounds like you are overseeing what someone else will be doing and the owner may expect you to make sure it is right and hold you responsible if it isn't. That's a recipe for a trip to the poor house, my friend.
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Here are the pics.
The only porch with block under it isn't tied into the rest of the foundation, but it does have it's own foundation.

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LAst one.

All those holes are for the I beams that will cross the 2-4 main beams.
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I cannot speak for others, but if I was putting my name on this project, I would be personally doing the foundation, period. If it isn't right, it won't matter who is at fault. Everyone will catch the blame.
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:41 PM   #33
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That is one sweet project.

Keep the pictures coming.

As a banker once told me about someone else.."you gotta have 2" brass "boys" to take something like that on."
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how are the brick supported during the move? I just can't imagine that the brick and stone will survive....but again my imagination is not my strength.
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For crying out loud, your ICF supplier should be helping. Did I see 14' high walls. You will definitely need good quality form supports to say the least. Think blow outs. But anyhow, a great project and I wish you total 1005 luck on doing this.
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I had one experience on a small job with ICF's and it went rather well but god damn i dont think id want the sleepless nights of trying to get that foundation lined up exactly.
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Well there is a little more progress not much. It has been raining a lot lately.
The house moving employees are less profesional than I expected after meeting the owner. They seam to be rushing this because the weather isn't in our favor. They cracked one corner of the house and haven't even jacked anything up yet. After that happen I suggested as well as another mason did to that steel lintels be added where the beams are. IT seams to fall on deaf ears though. So I convayed my concern to the owners, we will see if they use the suggestion.
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I am not going to say that this is impossible what you are trying to do, but not far from it. How in the world are you going to move house with brick on? I just don't see it happening.
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I am not going to say that this is impossible what you are trying to do, but not far from it. How in the world are you going to move house with brick on? I just don't see it happening.
I'm not moving the house, I have NO part in that. I am for the new foundation and wood work.
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Great thread. Keep updating it please. You definitely want to over engineer the safe factor on moving this thing. I too, am a bit doubtful that this is even possible. I do hope it goes well though and you succeed.
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