Well I am trying to line up a company to sub out a basement to. I can dig it if need be, but would rather just have them dig footings poor build walls poor and strip.
Well here is the kicker that no one in my small area wants to deal with. 14' wall 1' thick and 400running feet. The owner doesn't want anything else but the foam forms.
No one in my area wants to do it. Town of about 400,000 should I try and cordinate from a further larger city? I'm no wall guy never done one before. I am stuck and the time line is short to begin with.
Stay with, yes go outside your immediate area, with this economy i cant believe you are having this problem, in my neck of the woods that job would get swept right up.
Wow it's midnight out on LI you going to work tomar?:whistling I have family on LI in the patchouge area.
Well we are in a time warp here the recession hasn't really hit that hard here. Last summer we had a huge flooding problem the whole eastern IA area flooded so most every contractor is busy here. I keep getting the same thing if it wasn't foam I would do it.
Wow it's midnight out on LI you going to work tomar?:whistling I have family on LI in the patchouge area.
HAD some minor surgery today, search (stent removal) on this site, that will explain all,,,I will be laying low tommorrow, good luck to you, G, patchouge is 35 minutes from me:thumbsup:
If you can run a level, you can do it. But I don't blame you for looking for help on the first one. Keep asking around, I wouldn't be suprised if someone jumped in.
You can use the guys here to help with what to watch for. As a block layer, the ICF's seem like a very simple migration, but then there is always that little trick that makes everything go just right.
Well I got a company contracted to do the foundation. That is good news number one. It sounds like they want me to do the lime stone block work. That would be good for me.
The whole thing at once!
Here is the guy moving it. http://www.jeremypattersonhousemoving.com/
It will be the longest move by any brick structure. No removing of bricks or anything really pick the whole thing up and drive away.
I will take some close ups of the details of the house. It really is incredible. All the white painted stones all have engravings on them. The door thresholds all are stones with slope cut into the center then is square again where the brick sits on it.
Once section of the road has to be widened by 8'
Well it has begun they started cutting the foundation. Also removed the porches and braced the roofs. We are shooting for the 15th of july for the actual move date. I'll post pics monday.
Side note the concrete sub I had lined up flaked out so I am going to be helping the owners with the icf foundation.
I am only a phone call away if you need tech advice. If I wasn't busy, I would have jumped on it like Chris. Once you go ICF, there isn't any other way!:clap:
Where is the ICF supplier during all this? The ICF contractor has flaked...and the homeowner is going to do it himself, will this be the same attitude when other subs flake out?
I don't want to scare you, but this is concrete being held vertically, if that wall is out, it stays out, ask J about what he just had to fix.
Thanks guys guys I will have some questions once my part gets rolling.
The owners have an excavation company that has done 4 icf houses. They have all been square though this is far from what they have done in the past. I was first brought in to do the icf foundation and or find a icf sub. Then the sub went out of the picture. They then decided they would save some money and deligate a couple of there guys to me that have ICF experience.
The owners also have a vinyard that is taking off and bought this house and a bunch of land to expand the wine biz.
I don't know why, :whistling but I would really be leery of "a couple of guys with ICF "experience"",.....
The Bristow project was done by a supposedly "experienced" crew, and it was out on every dimension....not only that, it was about 2 feet off of the plan dimensions, like they used the house plan for the inside of the walls, which were not plumb.
I would be on site, if I were you, with a plate level and steel tape, double checking EVERYTHING they do, just as I did for subs I don't know.
I don't know why, :whistling but I would really be leery of "a couple of guys with ICF "experience"",.....
The Bristow project was done by a supposedly "experienced" crew, and it was out on every dimension....not only that, it was about 2 feet off of the plan dimensions, like they used the house plan for the inside of the walls, which were not plumb.
I would be on site, if I were you, with a plate level and steel tape, double checking EVERYTHING they do, just as I did for subs I don't know.
Oh trust me this whole thing has me wondering if I should even try this, but I want to get some ICF experience under my belt.
I have been in contact with a guy that has done a couple house moves. He has be giving me a couple good hints on how th get the house to line up. Because it for shure wont be square. I'll try and post a pic of the OG house blue prints.
This plan does not show foundation below the porches, but the house has looks like it has foundations below the existing porches, make sure they don't get missed during wall construction.
Looking at the plan, and what you will be doing, this is where I would start:
I would "plot" the existing house, and I mean square grid it where you have a transit shot on all sides, use steel pins for markers, and graph it. With a few top quality steel tapes, replicate the outside reference pins, and protect them, and then you can use them as a reference for actual location points for the foundation.
As an added thought, I would probably make the top course a "ledge form". If you have lally columns under the existing house, and they have ideas of opening the space up, you will need to keep this in mind, since steel placement for support beams must be planned for in the ICF system, just like a conventional basement is done.
A guy who has built a "couple of houses" is not who I would turn to for advice or hints, the ICF supplier should be your primary source, and they should have a consultant. Or no kidding, for the money involved, pay Chris to come out and run the project with your labor, just like I did with the Bristow Job. You get the hands on experience with a fully qualified expert......there ain't no substitute for experience. Good luck.
Oh yeah, this isn't a good one for the very first one. It would be a challenge for me......but I bet Chris has some that were more complicated then this.
Thanks a bunch for the info.
I am not one to exaggerate my skills and this IS outside my current skills. Since the owners have taken more and more of the foundation work out of my hands I am not shure if they would let me get another advisor or campany involved. The Rep is supose to be on site for this.
I am so nervouse about this job. I have done 10,000sqf comercial reno's and wasn't the least worried. For some reason building a 14' icf wall under a house does.
Cole
Jeez, Cole82, I hope your contract is being 'adjusted' to reduce your liability and define your responsibility since the owners are taking more of the foundation job away from you. It sounds like you are overseeing what someone else will be doing and the owner may expect you to make sure it is right and hold you responsible if it isn't. That's a recipe for a trip to the poor house, my friend. :sad:
I cannot speak for others, but if I was putting my name on this project, I would be personally doing the foundation, period. If it isn't right, it won't matter who is at fault. Everyone will catch the blame.
how are the brick supported during the move? I just can't imagine that the brick and stone will survive....but again my imagination is not my strength.
For crying out loud, your ICF supplier should be helping. Did I see 14' high walls. You will definitely need good quality form supports to say the least. Think blow outs. But anyhow, a great project and I wish you total 1005 luck on doing this.
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