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Old 12-06-2017, 07:54 PM   #41
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Does anyone start and finish a job (without collecting any money to even get started) ?????? HUH ??

Contract ??? HUH ???

33-33-33 ?? HUH? 40-30-30 ?

Hell I collect 50% to start, 25 when half done and get the the last 25 when almost finished.

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Does anyone start and finish a job (without collecting any money to even get started) ?????? HUH ??

Contract ??? HUH ???

33-33-33 ?? HUH? 40-30-30 ?

Hell I collect 50% to start, 25 when half done and get the the last 25 when almost finished.


I do all the time but only with contractors that I know very well and trust them....some of them I have known over 20 years now

Otherwise hell no


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Probably a Mexican crew, usually no money down for production work. You get what you pay for.
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I see numerous problems with the execution. ****ty material is one. You can tell just by looking at how it was laid that it was a wham, bam, thank you ma'am job.
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Does anyone start and finish a job (without collecting any money to even get started) ?????? HUH ??

Contract ??? HUH ???

33-33-33 ?? HUH? 40-30-30 ?

Hell I collect 50% to start, 25 when half done and get the the last 25 when almost finished.
I dont take any $ up front, never. If Im supplying materials they pay the material bill before the fifth so I can pay by the tenth.

I get paid when Im loading my truck, if Im bricking a house, I sometimes get a draw half way.
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A hundred batches, each cleaned out in a different spot in the yard ????????

Tumble mixers have been banned for quality mortar ~40 + years....

Original Poster Please respond with more facts please, Some one is always the hind most, we just hope it is some one else that is on the bottom of the quality/value ladder.....

You could pray the owner stuccoes over the fine stonework.....

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This thread is utter failure on both the builders end and masons end. I don’t go 2 days without verbal acceptance from person writing the check. To think weeks worth of stonework was done without a payment plan or visual acceptance is monkey plus football. I find it hard to believe a super or the builder didn’t swing by to see a section done, piss off with your taking all the stonework down....
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This thread is utter failure on both the builders end and masons end. I don’t go 2 days without verbal acceptance from person writing the check. To think weeks worth of stonework was done without a payment plan or visual acceptance is monkey plus football. I find it hard to believe a super or the builder didn’t swing by to see a section done, piss off with your taking all the stonework down....
It kinda feels like the OP tried to "save" money by doing it himself instead of paying the exorbitant fees the sub contractor were asking for, and came here for affirmation of his good job
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He got what he paid for no doubt about that.

I’m haggling right now with a tight wad and I told him I can do it for much less if he doesn’t mind what it looks like...we laughed we cried
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IMO, doing work with no money collected up front may be ok with trusted contractors but its still a risky way to do work.

I once subbed for a pretty regular contractor, never took anything upfront as he always paid for materials and I got paid when done. Great guy. He was spot on for a few years and I did about 10 decent sized jobs for him.

Then I did one job and he avoided me once I was done. I did some hunting and found out he went belly-up broke. Once I pinned him (I waited at his house until he pulled in his driveway) he told me was broke and filing for Chapter 11. He had no money to pay me. I was out $8k. All I got from him was "Sorry,man."

My policy now is 50% upfront. And I don't budge on that.
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It kinda feels like the OP tried to "save" money by doing it himself instead of paying the exorbitant fees the sub contractor were asking for, and came here for affirmation of his good job
This too crossed my mind. A bit of a fish smell.
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I don't think we ever got an answer on what part of the country this is from, this type of work is not uncommon around here where Jose and Co. are doing it for $5 a foot.
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I don't think we ever got an answer on what part of the country this is from, this type of work is not uncommon around here where Jose and Co. are doing it for $5 a foot.
5 a foot just for the tar paper lol
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IMO, doing work with no money collected up front may be ok with trusted contractors but its still a risky way to do work.

I once subbed for a pretty regular contractor, never took anything upfront as he always paid for materials and I got paid when done. Great guy. He was spot on for a few years and I did about 10 decent sized jobs for him.

Then I did one job and he avoided me once I was done. I did some hunting and found out he went belly-up broke. Once I pinned him (I waited at his house until he pulled in his driveway) he told me was broke and filing for Chapter 11. He had no money to pay me. I was out $8k. All I got from him was "Sorry,man."

My policy now is 50% upfront. And I don't budge on that.

I've been burned for a similar amount in the past as well, on an addition/remodel. BUT, on a new construction, such as this thread, I have no idea how you're getting money down when there is a construction loan and, presumably, a title company involved. The job of any title company is to ensure the HO and bank don't get burned, why would they offer 50% down just for showing them a paper contract? No offense, but I've never been burned as badly/often by a homeowner as I have been from another contractor/builder.

I guess if you're doing a bathroom remodel for "Tommy & Sue Homeowner" in booming times you'll get away with collecting 50% for doing virtually zilch, but when you're doing larger residential/commercial/industrial/government type work, you can expect to get absolutely nothing down until you actually perform some kind of work. And even then, don't expect to get it immediately upon completion....

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