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Old 12-27-2017, 10:29 AM   #1
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Easier Cultured/Manufactured Stone Vaneer


What's the "easiest" cultured/manufactured stone vaneer brand to "cut teeth" on that is of reasonable quality?

It's for our own spec house for a curved retaining wall and foundation wall. Re-work/extra time isn't as big of an issue, and although the eventual goal is to "make money", we are using it as a "learning experience" for certain skills/trades we don't do currently.

We will be subbing out some of the other stone work (fireplaces), but, figured it would be useful to have this skill for certain smaller jobs going forward.

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Old 12-27-2017, 11:48 AM   #2
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Re: Easier Cultured/Manufactured Stone Vaneer


Truth is, I've never found a fake stone that was of reasonable quality.

Lick n stick is easy. There is literally nothing to it. Now, if you want it to look good however...

Then you and your workers need to look at some photos of good stone work. Attempt to mimic what you see. Avoid vertical seams. Pay attention to corners --and buy a real stone that has larger corners. These veneer projects where the corners only come out 6 inches on the big side just will never look convincing. Most makers sell only really short corners, because the larger ones tend to break in transit. But larger corners are the how you get a realistic looking wall. Take time fitting the stones together and maintain even and consistent joints.

Also cap the wall with a real solid piece of stone. Like, a thick stone that spans the entire width of the wall. You use big corners plus cap with a 3 inch thick stone, maintain good bonding and even joints, you might even fool a mason.

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anything square and rec
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I need to look into real stone suppliers locally to see the feasibility of using real stone vs. manufactured.

What is a better type to start on? For instance Ledgestone vs. castlestone, splitface, fieldstone? I know that some of it depends on it fitting aesthetically, but, I'm mainly interested in ease of installation and "learning on".

If we end up going manufactured, any specific brands that are more of a pain than others (or even better, any specific brands that are better than others?)

The two manufactured I've looked at (so far) are http://www.coronado.com/ and Boral http://www.boralamerica.com/Media/De...ction-0117.pdf

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Drystack, (no grout) is easiest...and all the same size pieces. Fast too. Make sure you use the proper mortar. Taking on a curved wall is going to test you a bit.

I've had terrible experience with the brand Coronado as their packaging is freaking very poor... as many of them come broken and almost everyone of them are scratched up (which of course takes the color off of them). I refuse to use them.

I like Owens Corning cultured stone, never had much probs with their stuff.

As a rookie, using real stone/rock is a entirely different animal, IMO. But if you enjoy the challenge go for it. Personally there's no substitute for a job well done with real rock and grout. But nowadays it's all about "cheap and fast", therefore the phony-stony (veneer) is popular as all hell. Even though that veneer stuff is far from cheap !

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Ive seen people make some very big messes with cultured stone. So I dont think its real easy for some.
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Ive seen people make some very big messes with cultured stone. So I dont think its real easy for some.

Agree. A few of the jobs I took on were to bail out HO's who thought they could tackle it. None of it was pretty.
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Stick on faux stone, is for flat surfaces, the fewer corners and returns, the more it will fool the eye....

Some stone skills translate to wallpaper rock, but not as much as you'd think..

buy less REAL stone.....I try to get the owners using even rock face full bed CMUs instead of stick on...

If you must use the fake rock, don't do the faux wall or chimney with out a fake footer.... Nothing says cheap faster then a faux stone chimney floating on a wood box frame cantilevered out from the house...

Let the mortar dry as much as possible prior to finishing joints...

Real friends don't let their friends put faux anything on their houses. IMHO.
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If you must use the fake rock, don't do the faux wall or chimney with out a fake footer.... Nothing says cheap faster then a faux stone chimney floating on a wood box frame cantilevered out from the house...



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Anyone have any experience with Provia cultured ledgestone or drystack products? Ease of installation, packaging, etc.?
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Anyone have any experience with Provia cultured ledgestone or drystack products? Ease of installation, packaging, etc.?

IMO, most companies are pretty much the same, the biggest issue IMO is how they are packaged and shipped. I go ballistic when I start taking multiple broken ones out of the boxes and many of them are all dinged and scratched up.

Provia? Before buying, call them up and ask how they handle damaged rocks upon delivery. You can always use SOME of the broken pieces but not all..and touching up scratches (from shipping) is a PITA. And what if you have to ship a boatload of them back and wait for new ones? Who flips the shipping charges and whats about turn-around time?

I've never had issues with Owens-Corning products although I'm not a full time mason.

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Dont use fake rocks, its that easy.
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Dont use fake rocks, its that easy.
Cultured stone makes a good looking job when laid right...
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Cultured stone makes a good looking job when laid right...
I totally agree. And it's much easier to work with. Years back, I was strongly opposed to phony-stoney but I've come to like it.

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