Block Not Level Around Perimeter.

izzy

At this point (1.5" high) it seems the simplest solution would be to cut the block off at the correct elevations. The manson will probably have to relay several courses. I always shoot in my corners and step blocks for my masons and if they dont get it right from there they pay me to fix it.

NJ Brickie

Not really sure you get it. If you build two corners and hang a line to lay to what is that line doing??? Plumb, straight, and LEVEL. In masonry a line is used for level, granted you need a benchmark on your corners and leads which is usually provided by a laser, builders level, or transit. But if you truly are a mason you know that a string line is used to level.

6stringmason

Finally, another person gets what I was saying lol. A line level is something COMPLETELY different from a level line. I wouldnt trust a line level for anything. But I would trust to build up two leads on corners that have the same heights and run a level line to fill in the rest of the wall.

And if you've been doing it awhile, you can generally tell when you line is sagging and either tighten it, or put a twig in the middle, take your pick. But either way, Id be interested to see how people lay a 25' block or brick wall without a line. I can imagine its a slow process.

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Tscarborough

Line levels do not give you a level line, but used correctly they can tell you if the two ends of the line are level to each other. As a rule, line levels are not used by any masons I know, but level stringlines are used every day, all day, on jobs from one side masonry residential to million block commercial. There is no other practical way to do it.

That said, I learned when not to use stringlines in my days as a rodman and instrument man, but that was layout and surveying, not putting masonry units in the wall.

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CMSStoneworks

I'll use a line stretched between corners or ends to keep it straight....but i dont use it as a level reference....I just level each block with my torpedo and in reference to the rest with a 48inch. Maybe im being too critical?

_SpinDrah

You should not be using a lvel on a wall that has a line already! it is just a wast of time, the block should be layed from the edge of the block below it, to the line.

CMSStoneworks

Gotcha, and it makes sense....im just too anal.

mics_54

I dont give a crap how you do it. If its 1.5 inches off when you are done you wouldn't do another one for me.

straightline

Thanks for all the replies, I was down this morning and set up transit and shot all the corners and mid spans the one area we were talking about which is and inside corner was off 1 3/8" high and block ran down hill to outside corners approximatly 8ft in each direction. The mason said he would cut the top block down to level. The rest of the walls are with-in 5/8" at the worst point and one wall for stairs is low by 7/8" which I believe we will build up with mortor and lay sill in it to level. I have some pictures but dont have them downloaded yet. I will post later tonight. Thanks again.

neolitic

Glad you are working it out.
Maybe you have also come to see
how messy and confusing it is to
double post?

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straightline

Not confusing to me, guess if your not an open minded person it could be. Why not get feed back from both the carpenty and masonry forum since that is the problem I was dealing with?

neolitic

If you look through both threads you will
find that we are more open minded than that.
You have responses from various trades
in both threads.
Most of us use the New Posts button,
and see what is on all of the forums.
Double posting is not good forum etiquette,
rather like typing in all caps.
Nor is insulting folks trying to help you.

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_SpinDrah

I don't use the New Posts button, I don't do that on any forum, If he only posted in the Carp Hang out He would have missed my valuable Input.

Burns-Built

So if this guy is 1.5" low in one corner what i would like to know is how far out of square is this foundation??

izzy

Good point. I always shoot in my corners with a transit for my masons. A little more work for me but it keeps these problems at bay.
I would say you would be surprised at the builders who never even check for level elevations or for square.
He! He! Half of them don't even know the difference between a transit and a site level.

neolitic

If you want the answers to these
and other questions......
Tune in to his "other thread."
A little bit here, an answer there.....
Double posting is fun.

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skyhook

I recall one project were I let the concrete guy set forms. When I checked, he was 10' into the set back on a 2 story foundation. If I had not checked it would have cost me 1,200 square feet of construction and would have had to be torn down. Good thing I check the prints. I can about it.

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izzy

Big 10-4. Form guys are notorious for losing or adding square footage if not checked. No offense to any form guys I was a concrete for-man for a stretch in my career.

Tscarborough

As a Rodman, I held the dummy end and pounded stakes on the same building 3 times (3 days work each layout in Summertime Houston) before the @!#$%@#$% Job Engineer got it right. In Atlanta, still as a Rodman, we missed it by four feet to the South, but had it square to site and on grade on a half million SqFt warehouse complex. That one was built and accepted "as is".

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