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Old 12-16-2017, 08:28 AM   #101
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wtf is high idle?
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My 97 has no high idle. 99 psd had high idle.

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I think it was an option for trucks that were going to get PTO or were to be converted for other uses usually c/c
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wtf is high idle?
For warming up. My 97 only idles at like 600 rpm. It will not warm up.

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I think it was an option for trucks that were going to get PTO or were to be converted for other uses usually c/c
I knew a guy with a mid 90's ford and it had a fast idle. Not4 sure if it was aftermarket. VW guys use to wedge an ice scraper against the gas pedal for a fast idle.
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I knew a guy with a mid 90's ford and it had a fast idle. Not4 sure if it was aftermarket. VW guys use to wedge an ice scraper against the gas pedal for a fast idle.
I can add a custom tune chip that has a position for high idle. Old 7.3 psd just won't make any heat at idle.

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I can add a custom tune chip that has a position for high idle. Old 7.3 psd just won't make any heat at idle.

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Almost all diesels are like that. Even my old Quantum I use to wedge the ice scraper against the gas pedal.

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I worked on thousands of injection parts from diesel trucks used on the North Slope oil fields in Alaska, in the 90s. They idled all winter. They put fast idle on them. They all had the same unusual wear patterns from all that idling. I should ask my buddy who's an operator what it's like now.
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I knew a guy with a mid 90's ford and it had a fast idle. Not4 sure if it was aftermarket. VW guys use to wedge an ice scraper against the gas pedal for a fast idle.
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This is a hotly debated topic.

Either way for what you are towing I would recommend at least a 3/4 ton.

Today diesels are becoming less reliable, with a higher upfront expense, and higher maintenance costs. For most folks the numbers don't add up and break even comes at around 100K. Throw in a failure of a major component and you can spend far more than on a gasser. Went thru this a couple years ago with one of my friends, and after running a spreadsheet out he wound up going from a diesel to a gas and has zero regrets.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts and i made up a similar sprwad sheet when talking with a buddy whos a diesal diehard. It was a no brainer for me gas all the way.....the price tag of a diesal buys a hell of alot of fuel.
My thoughts are unless your towing heavy trailers on a rwgular basis then go gas. Out of dozens of diesal guys i know only 1 needs a diesal IMO hes got an 06 dodge dually 2wd and always has a dump trailer or job trailer hooked up. For him it makes sense. Last i saw him he was pushing 280k on that truck. Lots of highway hauls. Also have a buddy who bought a 16 f450 dually and then just trafes it in for the same teuck but a 17 and ive NEVER seen more than a couple sheets of drywall in that thing. I really have reouble wrapping my head around that one lol
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Pretty much sums up my thoughts and i made up a similar sprwad sheet when talking with a buddy whos a diesal diehard. It was a no brainer for me gas all the way.....the price tag of a diesal buys a hell of alot of fuel.
My thoughts are unless your towing heavy trailers on a rwgular basis then go gas. Out of dozens of diesal guys i know only 1 needs a diesal IMO hes got an 06 dodge dually 2wd and always has a dump trailer or job trailer hooked up. For him it makes sense. Last i saw him he was pushing 280k on that truck. Lots of highway hauls. Also have a buddy who bought a 16 f450 dually and then just trafes it in for the same teuck but a 17 and ive NEVER seen more than a couple sheets of drywall in that thing. I really have reouble wrapping my head around that one lol
I dunno I think it's a wash, they cost more but resale is higher. They get better milage.

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I dunno I think it's a wash, they cost more but resale is higher. They get better milage.

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The old 7.3 psd is getting 16 on the highway empty.

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The old 7.3 psd is getting 16 on the highway empty.

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Not terrible, but my 6.7 is about 19 with a thousand pounds in the back.

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Not terrible, but my 6.7 is about 19 with a thousand pounds in the back.

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Not bad with just a 4 speed tranny and 4.10 gears.

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Not bad with just a 4 speed tranny and 4.10 gears.

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Yeah that ain't helping on the highway...unless you wanna drive 35mph everywhere.
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Yeah that ain't helping on the highway...unless you wanna drive 35mph everywhere.
I get 16 at 75mph.

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]I dunno I think it's a wash, they cost more but resale is higher. They get better milage.

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I hear where your coming from and and sure resale is higher but remember you paid alot more for it so your getting back some of what u put in either way. My point is just that if you need diesal for hauling and towing theres no substitute
But when its an empty daily commutter vehicle that i see so very often in the tradesmen around my area it makes zero sense. I was on the fence with my last chevy, steel utility cap always loaded up up with tools ladders and a bunch of other crap. In hindsight back then i should have gone diesal for the $ amount and that i kept the truck for 14 years (didnt think i was gonna as i was averageing every4 years) gas makes sense more and more these days with the new trucks Imho
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For regular work trucks, I stopped buying diesels. The overall cost was quite a bit more and we didn't really need the extra torque.

People always say a diesel engine will last forever. I counter with the motor might, but everything bolted to it, doesn't. I definitely spent more on diesels than gas trucks.

As for mileage. Yea, 22 on the highway or around town, empty. Loaded with tools, 12. Gas was getting about 10 at the time, for the same set up.

Also depends on what driving you do. I were on the highway alot, it might be differnet.
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For regular work trucks, I stopped buying diesels. The overall cost was quite a bit more and we didn't really need the extra torque.

People always say a diesel engine will last forever. I counter with the motor might, but everything bolted to it, doesn't. I definitely spent more on diesels than gas trucks.

As for mileage. Yea, 22 on the highway or around town, empty. Loaded with tools, 12. Gas was getting about 10 at the time, for the same set up.

Also depends on what driving you do. I were on the highway alot, it might be differnet.
Yeah both are murder in town, on the highway the diesel is happier.

And let's face it, rarely is the motor every the problem when it comes to longivity.

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Yeah both are murder in town, on the highway the diesel is happier.

And let's face it, rarely is the motor every the problem when it comes to longivity.

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unless its chevy jk

if you are hauling or towing diesel is a no-brainer. gas trucks GUZZLE fuel towing. I think the ford eco boost may not be that way.
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For regular work trucks, I stopped buying diesels. The overall cost was quite a bit more and we didn't really need the extra torque.

People always say a diesel engine will last forever. I counter with the motor might, but everything bolted to it, doesn't. I definitely spent more on diesels than gas trucks.

As for mileage. Yea, 22 on the highway or around town, empty. Loaded with tools, 12. Gas was getting about 10 at the time, for the same set up.

Also depends on what driving you do. I were on the highway alot, it might be differnet.
I have my doubts about the new diesel, the old Cummins tho.... those WILL last forever.

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