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Old 12-07-2017, 09:17 PM   #1
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Im a carpenter, I use my truck for work hauling trash, tools, equipment. Heaviest I'll tow will be 14k, most ill ever have in bed is about 4k. Was wondering what you guys would suggest for next truck gas or diesel? My current truck 01 f150 4x4 is on its last straw. Currently in the market for truck. Any advice would be great. Thanks
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This is a hotly debated topic.

Either way for what you are towing I would recommend at least a 3/4 ton.

Today diesels are becoming less reliable, with a higher upfront expense, and higher maintenance costs. For most folks the numbers don't add up and break even comes at around 100K. Throw in a failure of a major component and you can spend far more than on a gasser. Went thru this a couple years ago with one of my friends, and after running a spreadsheet out he wound up going from a diesel to a gas and has zero regrets.

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Yeah, diesel rigs scare me now. When Ford starts making 150,000 mile engines on purpose, I gotta start rethinking things.

All the diesels in my price range are duds. My 2001 Superduty just keeps on keepin' on, with 265,000 miles. I dread looking for a new rig.

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My next is going to be diesel mainly because I plan on upgrading my camper to a 5'er.

To OP, you are towing 14k and loading 4k in your F150 now?
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No I'm not pulling 14k with my f150. I was saying the next truck I buy has to be able to pull 14k and have a payload of 4k. So based off that what truck I should get
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No I'm not pulling 14k with my f150. I was saying the next truck I buy has to be able to pull 14k and have a payload of 4k. So based off that what truck I should get
Better be one heck of a truck to haul 4k in the bed and that much on the bumper.

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A 10 wheel dump truck
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or a F-450.

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An f350 dually with air bags should do the trick
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Well, here's my take on it.

Time was, you couldn't tow more than 8 or10K with a gas. That has changed. Ford has a 6.2 gas with a 4:30 ass-end, that'll tow what my 6.7 Cummins will tow.

Diesel used to be the toughest and most reliable. What changed is emissions requirements, and speed. If you can pull the EGR and DPF, and you get one that doesn't use DEF, you can get the old reliability out of a diesel.

The second is speed. My old 7.3 would drive about 60 MPH, full, empty, up hill, whatever. Now, people want a truck that will tow 20K uphill at 80 MPH, and it has to ride like a Cadillac. For that reason, trucks are ruined now.

I have an '08 Ram 3500 dually, and I had to put airbags on it just to be able to put anything in the bed. It still sways wildly when under load.

The Powerstroke is a highly complicated engine. It will cost you to maintain it. The Cummins is a far better engine, but it only comes in a Dodge, and in my opinion, Dodge is junk. They are just not that heavy-duty.

There is a reason 90% of fleets in this country still run Fords.

So basically, yuppies F&&Ked up the truck market, so we're screwed.





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Now, people want a truck that will to 20K uphill at 80 MPH, and it has to ride like a Cadillac.







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Good friend just bought 2017 f350 CC 4x4 longed with 6.7 psd, 3.55 gears and is hitting 23mpg on highway. Second day he had it he pulled his old 97 f350 CC 4x4 home on a gooseneck, 18mpg.

He has 125k mile all inclusive warranty.

50k out the door.

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Good friend just bought 2017 f350 CC 4x4 longed with 6.7 psd, 3.55 gears and is hitting 23mpg on highway. Second day he had it he pulled his old 97 f350 CC 4x4 home on a gooseneck, 18mpg.

He has 125k mile all inclusive warranty.

50k out the door.

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Not bad. I've heard that Ford fixed a lot of the issues the 6.0 and 6.4 had, with this new 6.7.

Does that warranty cover emissions stuff, too?



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Not bad. I've heard that Ford fixed a lot of the issues the 6.0 and 6.4 had, with this new 6.7.

Does that warranty cover emissions stuff, too?



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Said it covers everything. Cost an extra 2500 bucks. He was more concerned about all the electrical crap.



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Yep. All the electrical stuff on new rigs is a huge problem. Electronic throttle and electronic-controlled transmissions are two huge problem areas.

Then windows, doors, locks, 4x4, seats, and 7,000 miniature lights for everything in the cab. Lot of s#!t to break.




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Look at what you can get a used v10 F450 for, they are an incredible value
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Ah! I'm making a somewhat similar decision but on a much smaller scale...I've had my eye on a GMC Canyon (Chevy Colorado)...Crew cab 4x4 w/6' bed. I'll keep the Ram I've got, but with child in route, I'm wanting something with more cab space but don't necessarily need another full size truck (and it won't fit in the garage!). The thing is, I'd like to be able to tow some stuff with it, so I'm debating between the 4 cyl Duramax they put in it, or just stick with the V6.

I really want the Duramax Diesel, but haven't talked myself into it yet. Diesel here is more expensive at the pump, and it's a $3k add to the sticker price. Just seems like it'd take a decade to get the payback...
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My brother and I are both driving 2017 F250 6.2 L gas, we also still have a 2012 6.2 gas and an older 09 diesel dually, but we use our new trucks to pull 20 yard dumpsters and equipment on goosenecks is not a problem, it pulls great. I do think a dually diesel pulls a better obviously, and if you are hauling major equipment or large loads like Warner I would probably get a dually but the F250 gas Motors are great for a few times a week pulling equipment around to job sites and then basically running around the rest of the time.

We trade ours in every couple years (will put 35-50k a year on them) or so or kick them down to the guys, otherwise we would probably get diesel and go F350

The old school Diesel's like vinyl has and especially the 99 versions or the 97 version that Warner got is going to be a badass reliable Workhorse.
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I had to decide on a Cummins or the Triton 5.6 for mine. I chose the Triton gasser because the new diesels just aren't there anymore. The beauty of a diesel was the simplicity of the engine and fuel delivery. Emissions have screwed all that up.

Gasser's have made amazing leaps forward in the past decade where the diesels have taken a step backwards. With fuel cost and repair cost and inability to work on either one... Gas is the way to go these days unless you go older (Pre 2007).

This all coming from a guy who has always owned a diesel for the past 12 years. (Course I am a soccer dad these days so take it with a grain of salt)
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I always get a kick out of people who own a newer diesel and leave them idling most of the time when they are parked. They think the are old school truck drivers, believing the engine can idle forever.

Idling over 5 min is the worst thing for a diesel now, they cant even generate enough heat to keep up the temps. Screws up all sorts of stuff.

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